scissor lift

[dshelley]

when in a scissor lift are you required to have a harness on?

 

[iwire]

Not by OSHA but some jobs require it.

 

[tom baker]

Fall protection rules kick in at 6 ft under our state rules. Put on the harness anytime in lift.

 

[iwire]

Fall protection rules kick in at 6 ft under our state rules. Put on the harness anytime in lift.

Just to be clear OSHA fall protection rules are satisfied by the railings on a scissor lift.

If Washington St. requires it that is above and beyond Federal requirements.

 

[infinity]

Just to be clear OSHA fall protection rules are satisfied by the railings on a scissor lift.

If Washington St. requires it that is above and beyond Federal requirements.

Agreed, the railings on scissor lifts remove any harness requirements. I've seen GC's require harnesses on 8' ladders so there are rules that are more stringent than OSHA's out there.

 

[WorkSafe]

We require it regardless of railings. All to often we catch electricians or plumbers standing on the top rails. By the way, OSHA considers scissors lifts in the same category as scaffolds.

 

[iwire]

We require it regardless of railings. All to often we catch electricians or plumbers standing on the top rails.

Yeah, punish everyone for the actions of a few .... perfect. :roll:

How about just firing those that cannot follow the rules?

By the way, OSHA considers scissors lifts in the same category as scaffolds.

It sure does and that one is a hard one to get people to believe.

 

[480sparky]

Yeah, punish everyone for the actions of a few .... perfect. :roll:

Isn't that exactly what OSHA does every day?

How about just firing those that cannot follow the rules?

'Cept OSHA can't fire anyone.

 

[renosteinke]

Lest I mention the obvious ....

Scissor lifts are different from boom lifts. Scissor lifts do not require harnesses, while theuse of harnesses isrequired on boom lifts.

 

[WorkSafe]

Yeah, punish everyone for the actions of a few .... perfect. :roll:

How about just firing those that cannot follow the rules?



It sure does and that one is a hard one to get people to believe.

I totally agree with you, but you have to remember, I work for the government where you would literally have to kill someone to get fired.

 

[jumper]

Yeah, punish everyone for the actions of a few .... perfect. :roll:

How about just firing those that cannot follow the rules?

While I agree, can I ask you a question?

In the past, have you never stood on the railings? I admit I have.

 

[iwire]

While I agree, can I ask you a question?

In the past, have you never stood on the railings?

You bet I have that does not change my perspective on holding people responsible for their own actions.

 

[iwire]

I totally agree with you, but you have to remember, I work for the government where you would literally have to kill someone to get fired.

:grin:

OK, understood and I do appreciate the honest answer.

 

[iwire]

'Cept OSHA can't fire anyone.

Of course not, but the company can ... usually.

 

[jumper]

You bet I have that does not change my perspective on holding people responsible for their own actions.

Again I agree, but now for a second question?

What do you find more effective:

Warning someone that he/she will be fired if he/she breaks the safety rules.

Or.

Teaching someone that needless bravado/stupidity can only work to his/her personal safety disadvantage.

I try and explain to people that I/we get paid the same amount to safe/legal as I/we do to be unsafe/illegal. I find it very effective.

When someone asks me if I ever broke the rules, I say: Yes, I was stupid.

 

[iwire]

Of course you try reason first but as often the case no one will actually listen until they see some punishment dolled out.

 

[jumper]

Of course you try reason first but as often the case no one will actually listen until they see some punishment dolled out.

Makes sense. Some people are probably not teachable, it is a pity.

 

[bluesmoke...oops]

Unfortunately, for some people pain is the only teacher they will listen to. Either through physical injury, or through mental pain of being fired.

 

[jusme123]

name how many jobs you where on that would satisfy osha in every aspect, none! I am not saying it is right, but just sayin

 

[wtucker]

Back to the original question, as others have noted, OSHA regulates scissors lifts as scaffolds, and has separate regulations on boom lifts. OSHA's view is that one can easily be catapulted out of a boom lift (although Mythbusters showed that that's pretty hard to do). That won't happen in scissors lifts.

Some GC's and owners require harnesses on those in scissors lifts in case the workers are inclined to climb on the railings. And, most scissors lift manufacturers (check their manual) recommend that users use harnesses. BUT the harnesses can't be connected to the railing. OSHA's scaffold standard forbids it, and the manufacturer usually provides attachment points--at pretty inconvenient locations.

Why not get to the root of the problem? The reason folks stand on the railings is that the scissors lift won't fit between the joists or mechanicals, and putting stepladders on scaffolds is forbidden, too. Maybe the solution is a smaller scissors lift or a trestle ladder.