Has your area amended the NEC to reflect the work you are trying to defend?
No, unless you can post the amendment in your area that allows you to just stuff the NMs in a big hole you come across as a guy who makes his own rules up.
If you're talking about driving a self tapper into the back with a strap and use the strap to get the ty wrap around it: sure, I've done it many times.
But if you're talking about putting a strap over the wire... I think you're not code compliant.
Somewhere.
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Pay attention. This is really very simple. I learned this via the internet over the past several years.
The NEC is a guidline, not the absolute authority.
Many areas use the NEC as their complete authority and adopt the new code cycles completely and quickly.
Many areas modify it to suit their wishes. They adopt new changes when they see fit and they pick and choose which ammendments are appropriate.
Read that last part again.^ Unless you understand it, there is no point in continuing.
Examples:
My area has disallowed the hack method of using unfused, exposed SE as service conductors since the 50's. My area has also added the requirement of EGC's everywhere, some time in the 80's. My area also allows cables to be installed as pictured. They have since the 60's. Those are three significant differences.
Your area stiil allows the 3rd world installation of SE service conductors. You hack these installation in and proclaim them prefessional because the NEC allows it. In my eyes, that is about as sloppy and unprofessional as you can get. You might as well string an extension cord from the pole into the house.
My area still doesn't require arc faults "everywhere", tamper resistant anywhere or common trip on MWBC. In your eyes, that makes me, and every other contractor here, unprofessional. That's just dumb.
It's legal and it's common practice so anything I have to say about it will be directed at the code, not the installer. When you post a pic of your service, it's not likely that I will insult you personally but I will voice my opinion on the method.
You can think of the NEC as the Bible if you like, just remember that there are many different religions and interpetations of the bible and learn to accept that, even though their religion is slightly different from yours, your neighbors still believe in quality work and safe installations.
I don't mind getting "slammed". I enjoy a good debate. In this case it's you that ends up looking foolish.
It's conduit. We are not allowed to use NM for the solar installations.
Yeah, that's the final position. It looks clear to me. It may be a bit close to the bottom breaker space but it's not a concern. All the circuits in this 40 space panel are already installed.
The sub, inside has most of the branch circuits.
You need to remove the bonding strap from your ground bar. It looks connected, unless it is an optical illusion.
That I disagree with. It is the AHJ that is making this stuff up. It is SOP in many areas, the AHJs allow it so it is done. It was a long standing practice in our area as well and still gets passed by the AHJs in many places.
If a town willingly refuses to enforce a law under their jurisdiction then they have nullified the law for their jurisdiction. That is a fairly common practice with many laws but speeding is not limited to local jurisdiction as the sheriff or state officer may not be so lenient. Unlike the case where the AHJ is the sole enforcement arm for the code.If one cop, or say one towns police dept always allows people to speed does that now mean it is now legal to speed?
Please clarify. If you remove the Bonding Strap how would you bond the cabinet?
Although I think I see some of those bare EGCs from the cables touching the back of the cabinet so it's all good.
Occaisionally the wires just don't want to cooperate and you need to restrain them.
I used a piece of the sheath, a fender washer and self tapping screw to retain this beast(s). (sub panel and boiler feeds)
Please clarify. If you remove the Bonding Strap how would you bond the cabinet?
you my friend are an "NEC MOCKER"...you use your brain to think things out...you then design and install a SAFE and MORE FUNCTIONAL solution to a problem...all the while living with the wrath and shame of the NEC kool-aid drinkers...how dare you question the NEC... yet you fear nothing as you forward your pictures to this sight...well MR MIKE HOLT, NEC CODE MOCKING, RULE VIOLATING, PICTURE FORWARDING,MEMBER...we salute you, this bud's for you...
PS...as a knighted member of the royal society of NEC mockers you are no longer permited to answer questions on this sight with just a numerical code references...
moderators,
wouldn't you agree that we need to keep these forums more professional and not use childish manner? Lets keep the discussion/debates at a professional level.
moderators,
wouldn't you agree that we need to keep these forums more professional and not use childish manner? Lets keep the discussion/debates at a professional level.
it IS important to know what is and is not a violation. Probably the main focus of this forum.
moderators,
wouldn't you agree that we need to keep these forums more professional and not use childish manner? Lets keep the discussion/debates at a professional level.
Ed, please excuse some of the remarks, 99 plus percent of the guys on the site are professional and are here to help others and learn a bit themself, to stay current with the fast changing pace of this trade
It's also important to know and acept that people in different parts of the country do things differently. Until the internet forums, I assumed that the NEC changed in the 80's to require EGC's everwhere. I was surprised to find it was a local amendment. I was also surprised to learn that the NEC still allowed exposed SE service conductors. That's when I started losing respect for it.
Another internet control freak. Relax dude. This forum gets like 5 posts a day. You don't HAVE to read it. Also, your level of professionalism is not necessarily the same as others. Life would be easier if people stopped trying to force everyone into their standards.