tonype
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- New Jersey
Photo shows several neutrals twisted together in the panel before each one individually connects to the terminal bar - just looks odd 
Can neutrals be twisted like this?
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Hendrix
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Don't think so.
How would you find the grounded conductor of the circuit that you were working on?
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Given the fact that it's less than 24" I don't see a problem other than it being poor workmanship.
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
I don't see any issues, not even a "workmanship" issue.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
It looks terrible and if you ever had to disconnect one it is a bear to deal with. Nothing against code but Dennis' Rules would chew you out for that install. :lol:
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
I think it looks a lot better than where they are just stuffed in. I would also chew a guy out, but only because to took longer to do it that way.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Just stuffed in looks sloppy also but there is a fine line between perfection and doing a nice install. My work is similar to this
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
There are a lot more issues here then you think. If this is a main panel then there is no main breaker. If it is not a main then the neutral and grounds should be separated. The egc's are all under one lug......We can argue whether a bushing is needed. T
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
You are correct. It is a split buss panel so no main is needed but the equipment grounds should not be under one lug.
tonype
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- New Jersey
Most were untwisted and attached to individual screws (though 2 share one screw and another shares a screw with a bare grounding conductor).
tonype
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- New Jersey
This is a main panel.
The top 8 breaker positions are all labeled "Mains" (guess they were intended for (4), 2-pole breakers, though (6) single-poles and (1) 2-pole are in those positons). The 60-amp "Lighting Main" services the bottom breakers.
I also think, based on this configuration, that a main is needed.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
If the split base is more than the top 2 breakers than I agree esp. with the configuration. You could however add breaker ties and be compliant.
hurk27
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- Portage, Indiana NEC: 2008
Move the two pole 30 up to the top then put the two displaced single poles down at the bottom and this panel would meet the code requirement of not over 6 movements of the hand (six disconnect rule in 230.71), and since it is still the service disconnect the MBJ will be here and is treated as service equipment so no requirement of separating of grounds and grounded conductors. the top busses in this panel are in fact service entrance conductors and are design as such.
The above is based upon the 2005 and earlier NEC, 2008 408.36 Exception 1 eliminated this allowance of feeding a second buss within the same panel board.
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stew
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nice work on the 2nd pic. is the romex exposed to physical damage even if its neat?
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Oh I bet there are some jurisdictions that won't allow it but that is perfectly compliant in my opinion.
I am sure someone would argue this job as non compliant
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- Tennessee NEC:2017
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Oh I bet there are some jurisdictions that won't allow it but that is perfectly compliant in my opinion.
I am sure someone would argue this job as non compliant
Dennis, I ask you not to post the pic. of my work. I don't want to appear as a show-off!:lol:
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