Branch Circuits from Multi-Family
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IMO, no . Since the garage is attached then article 225.30 would limit you to one branch circuit or one multiwire branch circuit with a few exceptions
jumper
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How does article 225 Outside branch circuits and feeders apply to an attached garage?
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Detached garage.
jumper
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:slaphead::slaphead::slaphead:
Darn Dennis through me off.:ashamed:
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Well that was darn unhandy of him. He had the right code reference, just used the wrong adjective.
So we all agree, you can't feed a Detached Garage from two panels, yes?
jumper
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Yes, I agree that was darn unhandy of Dennis to do......oh, yeah, that double feed thing is not so good also.
Well, that stinks.
Around here you mostly 6 flats. Many have several garages, if not 6.
Each garage is supposed to be feed from the unit owners panel and not the public, correct? So what I've always done is run one or two conduits to the garage.
I have seen, and replaced with the same thing, one circuit too all the garages from the public panel. I always thought I was doing it wrong that way.
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Mike
Around here you mostly 6 flats. Many have several garages, if not 6.
Each garage is supposed to be feed from the unit owners panel and not the public, correct? So what I've always done is run one or two conduits to the garage.
I have seen, and replaced with the same thing, one circuit too all the garages from the public panel. I always thought I was doing it wrong that way.
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Mike
This detached garage is shared by three units; each unit has a separating wall from the other. I guess my question is more of whether I can bring the branch ckts to one end of the detached garage and feed the respective others from romex, or do I have to run conduit from the end to each part? I know this setup is not entirely unique, so the answer would be useful, thanks.
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IMO if there is a firewall between the garage units then you can run 3 branch circuits - one from each unit.
Sorry for the faux pas Jumper
Sorry for the faux pas Jumper
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For the dwelling unit you cannot run a circuit from one unit's panel through another unit.
Does that apply to the garages too?
Does that apply to the garages too?
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I know that is true for service conductors but what article states a branch circuit cannot run thru another unit?
jumper
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I cannot say this applies to OPs garage though:
210.25 Branch Circuits in Buildings with More Than
One Occupancy.
(A) Dwelling Unit Branch Circuits. Branch circuits in
each dwelling unit shall supply only loads within that dwelling
unit or loads associated only with that dwelling unit.
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I don't see how running through the second unit is "supplying loads".
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jumper
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So you guys are saying a branch circuit can pass through another dwelling as long as it does not supply a load/terminate inside the dwelling.
david
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does it actually say it has to be supplying a load to be considered in a dwelling unit.
when is a branch circuit considered in a dwelling unit?
it does say that a load associated with a dwelling must be supplied by a branch circuit for that dwelling
it also seems to state that a branch circuit in a dwelling unit must be associated with a load for that dwelling unit that would tend to state an exclusion of all other dwelling unit branch circuits/
so when does a branch circuit pass through verses be in a dwelling unit? I guess if you pass through something you must first enter it wouldn't you?
as a general rule the branch circuit disconnects must be under the control of a dwelling unit tenant. shouldn't the tenant have the assurance that when he opens the branch circuits disconnects he has de-energized the circuits in the dwelling?
I guess it may need clarified as to what is met by being in a dwelling
david
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i am in particular picturing a dwelling unit basement with branch circuit conductors from one dwelling passing through a basement of another dwelling
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That would be compliant with the section Jumper posted in post #15.
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