3 inch metal box seams useless...

[ritelec]

What good is a 3.5 inch shallow metal round box at 4 cu ".

guess if you are designing something with use for wires smaller than 14??

Or 2x 14's ac cable or greenfield ???

But then why the rx clamp?

 

[iwire]

Use it with a fixture that has a canopy that is marked with the volume.

(Easy to say, not so sure it is easy to find)

 

[Frank DuVal]

A small Pancake Box. Used where there is limited depth in the wall to mount it and the fixture mounted to it has a canopy to do the wire connections. It will fit ON a stud or joist in a typical sheetrock or plaster wall. People actually used them to mount ceiling fans, now there is a fan box where the fan screws go directly into the ceiling joist.

I despise them in new work, and begrudgingly use them in remodeling. 4" size is much more common.

 

[jumper]

Use it with a fixture that has a canopy that is marked with the volume.

(Easy to say, not so sure it is easy to find)

:thumbsup:

 

[Buck Parrish]

I love pancake boxes. They're great when your doing a rough-in before the siding is on. For the out side wall lights. But I generally use the bigger of the two.
Also they're good for bath vanity's if a 2x4 stud is in the way of a normal light pop in box.

 

[mopowr steve]

Pan boxes have there place, also as far as box fill goes if a light fixture has a domed canopy that volume can be added to your box fill volume. Read it someplace.

 

[jumper]

Pan boxes have there place, also as far as box fill goes if a light fixture has a domed canopy that volume can be added to your box fill volume. Read it someplace.

If it marked with the volume as Iwire stated above.

314.16(A)
(A) Box Volume Calculations. The volume of a wiring
enclosure (box) shall be the total volume of the assembled
sections and, where used, the space provided by plaster
rings, domed covers, extension rings, and so forth, that are
marked with their volume or are made from boxes the dimensions
of which are listed in Table 314.16(A).

 

[mopowr steve]

If it marked with the volume as Iwire stated above.

314.16(A)
(A) Box Volume Calculations. The volume of a wiring
enclosure (box) shall be the total volume of the assembled
sections and, where used, the space provided by plaster
rings, domed covers, extension rings, and so forth, that are
marked with their volume or are made from boxes the dimensions
of which are listed in Table 314.16(A).

Thanks Jumper,
I knew I read something about it somewhere. So many things go in and as time goes by just as many go out.

 

[jumper]

So many things go in and as time goes by just as many go out.

Yep, same here.

 

[ActionDave]

If it marked with the volume as Iwire stated above.

314.16(A)
(A) Box Volume Calculations. The volume of a wiring
enclosure (box) shall be the total volume of the assembled
sections and, where used, the space provided by plaster
rings, domed covers, extension rings, and so forth, that are
marked with their volume or are made from boxes the dimensions
of which are listed in Table 314.16(A).

Note, it does not say Factory Marked or Manufacturer Marked, just marked.

 

[GoldDigger]

So you could mark it yourself?

 

[ActionDave]

So you could mark it yourself?

I don't see why not.

 

[Shawn pavich]

Tell the plumer to move his vent pipe,cause you want to put a 3/0 box hanger instead of a pancake,9 times out of ten on any job the plumers are in there before us and that vent pipe Is almost always center of vanity in rest room,good luck on having him move it,easy fix pancake

 

[iwire]

So you could mark it yourself?

I don't see why not.

Sure and some AHJs may be fine with that, others may have a problem.

 

[ptonsparky]

So you could mark it yourself?

I don't see why not.

Never had one failed by an inspector but we have moved on to the plastic fan boxes that are designed to fit on the face of and along the side of a 2x.. Very similar to the shallow pan but they have a half moon extension that extends back for added cu in.

Most likely an Arlington product. They are the most innovative.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Never had one failed by an inspector but we have moved on to the plastic fan boxes that are designed to fit on the face of and along the side of a 2x.. Very similar to the shallow pan but they have a half moon extension that extends back for added cu in.

Most likely an Arlington product. They are the most innovative.

Like this http://www.cesco.com/b2c/product/Arlington-FB415-Press-On-Saddle-Box/635722

or this one

 

[ptonsparky]

Closer to the FB443, but not quite. Can't seem to find the image I want. Might be a different Mfg as well.

 

[jumper]

Closer to the FB443, but not quite. Can't seem to find the image I want. Might be a different Mfg as well.

Maybe this?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Titan3-1...n-Box-with-Plastic-Cover-CPB13NM-SM/205383211

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Maybe this?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Titan3-1...n-Box-with-Plastic-Cover-CPB13NM-SM/205383211

That was the one I was looking for also. I thought that was arlington but looks like it is made by Titan

 

[ptonsparky]

Maybe this?

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Titan3-1...n-Box-with-Plastic-Cover-CPB13NM-SM/205383211

BINGO!!