Interconnecting into a Square D Meter Socket

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electrofelon said:
It would be interesting to ask one of these POCOs (or do it as a two step process and see what happens) if you could submit A non PV application to"upgrade the service" by adding the additional service conductors and service panel, and once that is completed, submit another separate application for a load side PV connection. Perhaps that would make them realize the absurdity of their position.
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Interesting for you, maybe, but not for me. I just need to come to an agreement with the utility, design the system, and move on to the next project. I don't have the desire to tilt at those particular windmills.

At times I have submitted a design that the utility has rejected, and I have responded with code references that showed it to be NEC compliant, to which the utility has responded that they don't care, it is rejected, anyway. That's just the way it is and it's not my lot in life to change it. I have always found another way that the utility would approve, often with their assistance. Life goes on.
 
electrofelon said:
.....Also I would appreciate it if @pv_n00b could respond to his experience with the scenario in post #43
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I am out of this conversation. It's just getting way too ridiculous and I have PV systems to design. But by all means, keep trying to sell your idea. In theory, it's very interesting.
 
pv_n00b said:
I am out of this conversation. It's just getting way too ridiculous and I have PV systems to design. But by all means, keep trying to sell your idea. In theory, it's very interesting.
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Yo tambien.
 
pv_n00b said:
I am out of this conversation. It's just getting way too ridiculous and I have PV systems to design. But by all means, keep trying to sell your idea. In theory, it's very interesting.
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So if you had a service as described in post #43, with the two existing panels. You would not do a load side connection in that unused panel? Funny how everyone is just saying my method is preposterous yet no one actually responds to the questions.
 
electrofelon said:
So if you had a service as described in post #43, with the two existing panels. You would not do a load side connection in that unused panel? Funny how everyone is just saying my method is preposterous yet no one actually responds to the questions.
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For the record I never said that. All I have been saying all along is that utilities have their policies and my choice is to conform to them or risk an inspection failure or engage in a protracted argument in which I know from experience that I am unlikely to prevail.

I choose Door #1. YMMV.
 
ggunn said:
For the record I never said that. All I have been saying all along is that utilities have their policies and my choice is to conform to them or risk an inspection failure or engage in a protracted argument in which I know from experience that I am unlikely to prevail.

I choose Door #1. YMMV.
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Right and I don't dispute at all that we have utility requirements and utilities probably don't care about the NEC, can't be reasoned with, etc....it's more PVNoob who seems to think my interconnect qualification is preposterous yet hasn't even responded to my diagrams or questions. I'm licensed in 3 states, a NYS certified installer and have been involved in the PV industry for at least 12 years. I prefer using the service rules and load side connections as a long time electrician. I just never really liked the ambiguity of supply side connections, as a long time electrician changing a meter socket or adding another set of service conductors is no big deal at all to me. PV People apparently have great resistance to my approach. I guess he doesn't want to learn or consider anything new, oh well.
 
electrofelon said:
Right and I don't dispute at all that we have utility requirements and utilities probably don't care about the NEC, can't be reasoned with, etc....it's more PVNoob who seems to think my interconnect qualification is preposterous yet hasn't even responded to my diagrams or questions. I'm licensed in 3 states, a NYS certified installer and have been involved in the PV industry for at least 12 years. I prefer using the service rules and load side connections as a long time electrician. I just never really liked the ambiguity of supply side connections, as a long time electrician changing a meter socket or adding another set of service conductors is no big deal at all to me. PV People apparently have great resistance to my approach. I guess he doesn't want to learn or consider anything new, oh well.
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What do you mean, "PV People"? :D

You've seen Tropic Thunder, haven't you?
 
ggunn said:
What do you mean, "PV People"? :D

You've seen Tropic Thunder, haven't you?
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I don't think I have seen tropic thunder. PV people are just those who have entered the PV industry without being electricians or electrical contractors first. I don't mean anything negative by it, just I find PV people are sometimes adverse to certain things that I wouldn't think twice about. For example this thread, the method I have of modifying a service to accommodate a higher load side connection using the 230.40 rules, changing meter sockets, etc. This seems to scare some PV people off where it's just another day at work for me. PV people tend to love PVC and LFNC too 😝😉
 
electrofelon said:
I don't think I have seen tropic thunder. PV people are just those who have entered the PV industry without being electricians or electrical contractors first. I don't mean anything negative by it, just I find PV people are sometimes adverse to certain things that I wouldn't think twice about. For example this thread, the method I have of modifying a service to accommodate a higher load side connection using the 230.40 rules, changing meter sockets, etc. This seems to scare some PV people off where it's just another day at work for me. PV people tend to love PVC and LFNC too 😝😉
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That's an awful wide brush you are painting with. I have been in solar for 14 years and I have been a PE since 1994. I have no problem using anything that works and that will pass inspection. That last bit is highly variable.
 
ggunn said:
That seems like a contradiction to me.
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Seems perfectly reasonable, and expected, to me that someone entering the industry on a PV track will approach things differently than on electrical contractor of 20 years like myself. One of the big name PV contractors around here doesn't pull wire through pipe, they sleeve it over. This is just my experience, YMMV.
 
I mean that you say that you don't mean anything negative, but then you make "PV People" sound disparaging.

From Tropic Thunder:
White guy says something about "you people".
White guy playing a black guy says, "What do you mean, 'you people'?"
Black guy says, "What do you mean, 'you people'?"

It's a very funny movie; I highly recommend it.
 
ggunn said:
I mean that you say that you don't mean anything negative, but then you make "PV People" sound disparaging.

From Tropic Thunder:
White guy says something about "you people".
White guy playing a black guy says, "What do you mean, 'you people'?"
Black guy says, "What do you mean, 'you people'?"

It's a very funny movie; I highly recommend it.
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I just think it's different experience and different perspective. PV people are probably a lot better at mounting panels and racking and wire management than an electrician who is not really a PV person. I am probably not quite a PV person. I have a decent amount of experience over quite a wide variety of installations but probably 90% of my work is "normal" electrical work. I think my biggest strength is with my code knowledge and my ability to value engineer PV interconnections and the AC side infrastructure. A PV person would probably kick my butt up on the roof.
 
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