Comments/Advice on new service entrance.

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James L said:
Seevice passed inspection, he had no comments either way regarding the chase nipples
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Thinking about it some more, my position as "evolved". As long as the myers hubs are considered bonded to the wireway, the concentrics dont matter as there is generally no need to bond both ends of a raceway, unless the raceway is the fault current path. Did the wireway get bonded to the neutral?
 
Looking at your plans. Your panles are in the garage. Those are some long branch circuit runs. In a higher heat environment. Thru attic into garage.
I would look at 200 amp sub panel in the laundry room.
 
Finally got the house to the point of making up panels. They aren't perfect I'm sure and I'm not posting them up to hear everything I've done wrong. And no, I'm not buying into the AFCI BS. I'm in the boonies with no inspections. I did use a couple zip ties to keep it clean so spare me the bundling harassments too, would ya? :cool: I pulled the grounds tight and the very few ties on the non-grounded conductors aren't tight, just enough to keep everything looking decent.

Looking back now I probably should have put both panels in the laundry room as my fella okie suggested above. I was trying to keep the service feeders short. There is a lot of wire in the attic. O well. She's done now. I enjoy the panel make-up most of all. I don't miss wiring houses other than the panels.

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There's extra wire since I follow joists and make it nice. These "spider-wiring" jobs that have crap ran every where on all angles make my eyes twitch. I could never handle that in my attic. It turned out nice and I'm fairly happy with it, but like always, now that I'm done, I would have changed a few things.

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electrofelon said:
Only thing I see that you did wrong is use two pole/handle tied breakers for the MWBC's 😡😉
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Are you telling me the handle ties aren't allowed for MWBCs? Doesn't HOM make a different style for that I should be using? I'll have to look for a double-pole circuit breaker with a common internal trip tie mechanism and swap them out. Not sure HOM makes those, or at least, I've never seen them. Thanks for the heads-up. I don't mind constructive criticism.
 
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You shouldnt have your feeder conductors going back into the same wireway as the service conductors
 
4x4dually said:
Are you telling me the handle ties aren't allowed for MWBCs? Doesn't HOM make a different style for that I should be using? I'll have to look for a double-pole circuit breaker with a common internal trip tie mechanism and swap them out. Not sure HOM makes those, or at least, I've never seen them. Thanks for the heads-up. I don't mind constructive criticism.
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Well I was saying that I don't like t handle tie rule and don't follow it when I don't have to.
 
tthh said:
What label maker did you use on those wires in the panel?
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Brady BMP61 but I see now they've redone their part numbering system yet again which will snow ball through our ERP system. Great job, Brady.

Looks like it is now called an "M610."

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electrofelon said:
Well I was saying that I don't like t handle tie rule and don't follow it when I don't have to.
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Roger that. It never crossed my mind that tie kits weren't acceptable.....but then again, I've had this desk job for 26 yrs and residential wiring isn't something I get paid to do so it rarely crosses my mind anymore.
 
hillbilly1 said:
If I remember correctly, you would need running boards on both sides of the wire within three feet of the attic access. (I think it was three? Might be five? Can’t remember!)
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What's the dimensions on the required "running boards" you speak of?
 
Johnhall30 said:
You shouldn't have your feeder conductors going back into the same wireway as the service conductors
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You've lost me. There are two separate 200A service runs from the pad mount transformer. Each go to their own ATS on the backside of the 2" stub out at the top of each panel. Feeders will shoot from each ATS right through the wall into each panel. What do you mean by the same wireway?
 
hillbilly1 said:
I think it is 1x4”, I don’t have my code book with me right now. Same as running romex exposed on the bottom of floor joists in a basement.
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Roger that. I'll be the only one in the attic for the most part so I wasn't too worried about it.
hillbilly1 said:
Tie kits are acceptable, he was just saying he didn’t like having to do that.
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Cool. I looked for single operator HOM breakers this morning and didn't find any. I typically don't do MWBCs and thought it would be something different I could use to save a few conductors. They are all in the kitchen and will have GFI's on each one. I hope being all GFI's the shared neutral doesn't cause them issues. That never crossed my mind until now.


Thanks for all the feedback.
 
4x4dually said:
Roger that. I'll be the only one in the attic for the most part so I wasn't too worried about it.

Cool. I looked for single operator HOM breakers this morning and didn't find any. I typically don't do MWBCs and thought it would be something different I could use to save a few conductors. They are all in the kitchen and will have GFI's on each one. I hope being all GFI's the shared neutral doesn't cause them issues. That never crossed my mind until now.


Thanks for all the feedback.
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As long as the load side of the gfi isn’t, you’re fine.
 
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