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Alwayslearningelec

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Would you consider wire pulling part of the rough in or only the boxes/conduits etc., essentially the infrastructure.
 
Rules here say for the rough inspection, all boxes made up, grounds connected, etc. Be hard to not run wire if grounds are to be made up.
That is with or without conduit. We can cover walls before rough if using conduit, but not cable methods.
 
Little Bill said:
Rules here say for the rough inspection, all boxes made up, grounds connected, etc. Be hard to not run wire if grounds are to be made up.
That is with or without conduit. We can cover walls before rough if using conduit, but not cable methods.
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So your saying wires need to be pulled in raceways for rough inspection in your area?
 
I would rather find out if there's a conduit problem before the walls and ceilings are closed.

Plus, the more you can do at rough-in, the easier it is to keep the fresh paint clean.
 
Alwayslearningelec said:
So your saying wires need to be pulled in raceways for rough inspection in your area?
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TN Code wording in part:::::
No wiring or raceways shall be concealed until it has been inspected and approved by the inspector......
When the initial (“rough-in”) inspection is conducted:
(a) All applicable circuit conductors and outlet boxes shall be installed;
(b) All joints shall be made;
(with exceptions)
 
augie47 said:
TN Code wording in part:::::
No wiring or raceways shall be concealed until it has been inspected and approved by the inspector......
When the initial (“rough-in”) inspection is conducted:
(a) All applicable circuit conductors and outlet boxes shall be installed;
(b) All joints shall be made;
(with exceptions)
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Good to know, i'm currently doing a data center in Murfreesboro
 
augie47 said:
TN Code wording in part:::::
No wiring or raceways shall be concealed until it has been inspected and approved by the inspector......
When the initial (“rough-in”) inspection is conducted:
(a) All applicable circuit conductors and outlet boxes shall be installed;
(b) All joints shall be made;
(with exceptions)
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I have run in to that, and it is ridiculous in my opinion. That means you have pretty much have the entire ceiling done as well. What is the logic in requiring that? We actually got the building official down and talked him out of it. We would have ground pigs installed in every box, but could pull wire later.
 
Strathead said:
I have run in to that, and it is ridiculous in my opinion.
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I'd much rather do as much rough work as I can when I don't have to be so neat and clean.

I'm thinking just about all of the wire stripping scraps I don't have to sweep or vacuum up.

Fish-tape pulling can easily damage the edges of the drywall around outlet box openings.
 
Strathead said:
I have run in to that, and it is ridiculous in my opinion. That means you have pretty much have the entire ceiling done as well. What is the logic in requiring that? We actually got the building official down and talked him out of it. We would have ground pigs installed in every box, but could pull wire later.
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(a) requirement to inspect conduit systems prior to covering....
Far too often found conduit visible at panel.... concealed wiring was open conductors
(b) joints made up at R.I.
grounding connections often just twisted... (no wirenut, etc). not visible at final without removing devices.

happens far more than one would think especially where "homeowner" permitting is permitted.
 
LarryFine said:
I'd much rather do as much rough work as I can when I don't have to be so neat and clean.

I'm thinking just about all of the wire stripping scraps I don't have to sweep or vacuum up.

Fish-tape pulling can easily damage the edges of the drywall around outlet box openings.
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And the wiring pulling goes much faster when you can actually see the conduits where the conductors are being installed.
The issue now is that you have to tuck everything back in the box or install one of those temporary metal covers so the drywall routers don;t damage the wire.
 
augie47 said:
TN Code wording in part:::::
No wiring or raceways shall be concealed until it has been inspected and approved by the inspector......
When the initial (“rough-in”) inspection is conducted:
(a) All applicable circuit conductors and outlet boxes shall be installed;
(b) All joints shall be made;
(with exceptions)
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Sounds like that only applies to work that's being concealed. Walls and hard lids

Here a rough-in inspection is just that. Nothing above a grid ceiling is required to be installed for wall rough inspection.

Then above ceiling inspection has to be done before tiles get dropped in, and covers everything from the conduit and circuiting to fixture wires.

Final is for everything below ceilings.
 
Broom-Clean is (was) often in construction contracts-- "the work area will be kept broom-clean every night." In other words, low man on the totem pole would sweep the area, gathering the stripping scraps and wire tidbits and dumping them in the trash can to keep the area neat and tidy.
 
On huge jobs with through stud piping like schools or hospitals, its a really good idea to pull wire before cover up. It removes the "where does this one go problem" and if one pushing pulling problem comes up, its easily fixed.
Its hard to say one aspect of start to finish is more important than another but you will find one line is hard to screw up. Its easier to screw the homers and branch circuits.
Put it in asap. Done. Every circuit you sold them is in, one less worry.
 
PaulMmn said:
Broom-Clean is (was) often in construction contracts-- "the work area will be kept broom-clean every night." In other words, low man on the totem pole would sweep the area, gathering the stripping scraps and wire tidbits and dumping them in the trash can to keep the area neat and tidy.
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We're talking about inspection requirements, not specific job requirements that may be in a contract.
 
James L said:
Sounds like that only applies to work that's being concealed. Walls and hard lids

Here a rough-in inspection is just that. Nothing above a grid ceiling is required to be installed for wall rough inspection.

Then above ceiling inspection has to be done before tiles get dropped in, and covers everything from the conduit and circuiting to fixture wires.

Final is for everything below ceilings.
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Nothing in writing that I'm aware of be we are allowed to break down portions of a rough, like basement separate, garage, etc. Also can get a ceiling rough inspection as sometimes they want to insulate before finishing lower areas.
 
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