JJWalecka
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does a two pole 40 amp water heater and 40 amp two pole Range need to be a gfci and afci breaker in a multi unit complex?
gfci afci protection
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rc/retired
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Nothing 240V requires AFCI, with the exception of a MWBC.
JJWalecka
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am i reading the code correctly that 210.8(D) states electric ranges need to be gfci protected? Why wouldnt a water heater require GFCI protecction?
JJWalecka
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MWBC?
Multi wire branch circuit
JJWalecka
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if i had a hardwired appliance. say a two pole 20amp unit heater...that wouldnt require afci protection? because its 240 volts between phases?
JJWalecka
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thx
rc/retired
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The receptacle is required to be GFCI protected.
The water heater is most likely hard wired.
Ron
rc/retired
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JJWalecka
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the potential hazard for an arc fault isnt justified for this installation because.... why? its not cord and plug connected? thank you for your incite
rc/retired
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I don't know why and I'm glad it's not.
AFCI protection is only required for 120 volt outlets. Not 120/240v or 240v outlets.
Ron
Don't worry there's next code cycle for it to be required. Then it will be the whole house.
The 26 code is done. It’s not in there.
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Not even close to being done, but since this was not proposed in the Public Inputs, it cannot make it into the 2026 code.
tallgirl
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And then I'll have to get a gasoline powered daily driver because my EVSE trips the breaker that's required for the receptacle that I don't want to hardwire my charger into.
That’s what I meant by “done” - what he mentions isn’t going to make it in there.
Poor choice of words on my part.
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The first draft of the 2026 code 625.54 says all outlets that supply EVSE must have GFCI protection, so hard wiring wont change anything if that makes it through the process.
tallgirl
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Time to buy a different car!
Or move to Key West so I can just ride my motorcycle or bicycle everywhere.
I want to know how many people are actually being shocked by improperly installed EVSEs because they’ve always had their own integrated GFCI.
hillbilly1
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From what I have heard, the ground fault protection in the charge controller is equipment level, not personnel level. Probably why they have a lot of nuisance tripping.