210.8 (B)
- Thread starter Mark_WV
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Are they saying the disconnect switch is a receptacle and requires GFCI protection? Look at the definition of a receptacle in Article 100.
Yes, we called him and went through the definition on the phone. He stops "direct connection of electrical utilization equipment" and doesn't want to recognize "designed to mate with the corresponding contact device". We have some three phase heat pumps that he is requiring GFCI protection. He is supposed to be sending us some additional information from NFPA that supports his conclusions.
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You're dealing with an.....
NEC Inspector
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The definition for receptacle is garbage. You could apply it to a keyless fixture and a light bulb. Or any fan or light fixture with a quick disconnect connector for servicing.
The AHJ is wrong, and you are going to have nothing but problems with that GFCI.
The AHJ is wrong, and you are going to have nothing but problems with that GFCI.
curt swartz
Electrical Contractor - San Jose, CA
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I'm a little confused. He is calling a switch a receptacle or you do have a receptacle/plug cord connection?
Eddie702
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You need to go over his head. Do you have a state board or something you can appeal to?
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That's a pretty clueless interpretation. Isn't part of the definition of a receptacle have something to do with an attachment plug?
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What does this disconnect switch supply?
Heat pumps
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- retired electrician
Outside heat pumps at a one or two family dwelling? What code cycle applies?
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- retired electrician
Based on what I see in this thread, we are not talking about receptacles, but are talking about outlets as covered in 210.8(F). Based on post #2, TIA 20-19, which added Exception # to to 210.8(F) does not apply. TIAs do not automatically apply, but must be adopted just using the same method that was used to adopt the code itself.
The outside heat pumps are supplied by outlets and the outlet must have GFCI protection.. assuming that they are installed at a dwelling. The only issue for debate is exactly where the outlet is, but that does not change anything. The GFCI protection is still required.
The term receptacle does not even enter into this discussion.
The outside heat pumps are supplied by outlets and the outlet must have GFCI protection.. assuming that they are installed at a dwelling. The only issue for debate is exactly where the outlet is, but that does not change anything. The GFCI protection is still required.
The term receptacle does not even enter into this discussion.
wwhitney
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The OP mentioned that some of the heat pumps are 3 phase, which would be unusual at a dwelling.
Edit: based on the thread title and the OP's information, it seems the inspector is misreading the definition of "receptacle" as being equivalent to the definition of "outlet".
Cheers, Wayne
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Short answer is a disconnect switch is not a receptacle so if that's the only argument then the code official is wrong. If GFCI protection is being required for an outlet that may be a different animal.
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If you have a disconnect switch then the inspector is incorrect. No gfci is required
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The 2023 does require gfci for hvac, whether feed by disconnect switch or not, but that is not until Jan. 1, 2026
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- retired electrician