NEC 210.8(B)(2) Code Interpretation

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NEC 210.8(B) All 125V through 250V receptacles supplied by single phase branch circuit rated 150V or less to ground, 50A or less, and all receptacles supplied by three phase branch circuit rated 150V or less to ground, 100A or less, installed in kitchens shall be provided with GFCI protection.

We ran into an elec. inspector, per his code interpretation and he considers "receptacle" will applies to all equipment in kitchen has hardwired connection as well, do you agree? I looked at receptacle definition and not sure this convinces me unless the latest NEC code changed.
 
Hardwired is not a receptacle, it's that simple. Both receptacle connected and a hardwired piece of equipment would be connected to an outlet but if the requirement only covers receptacles then it does not apply to hardwired equipment. If the requirement applies to outlets then it would apply to both receptacles and hardwired.
 
infinity said:
Hardwired is not a receptacle, it's that simple. Both receptacle connected and a hardwired piece of equipment would be connected to an outlet but if the requirement only covers receptacles then it does not apply to hardwired equipment. If the requirement applies to outlets then it would apply to both receptacles and hardwired.
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Is receptacle an outlet?
 
Receptacles are not outlets.

They are sometimes used interchangeably when people speak.

There are other code sections that might require GFCI like 422.5 in the 2020 or 210.8(D) in the 2023. Those apply to the appliance. Meaning, even if feed by an outlet and not a receptacle, they would still require GFCI protection. It includes most of the things found in a kitchen.
 
wwhitney said:
Every receptacle is an outlet
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But one thing I wonder is going by the NEC definitions an outlet is the 'point' where current is taken to supply utilization equipment, so if I have a 50A receptacle for a temporary feeder and that feeder supplies a spider box with breakers and GFCI receptacles then is that 'feeder' receptacle an 'outlet' still?
 
wwhitney said:
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Every receptacle is an outlet, but not every outlet is or has a receptacle.

So I guess the above is true in the sense of "receptacle and outlet are not interchangeable terms."

Cheers, Wayne
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how's about 208V/3PH, hardwired kettle?
 
anbm said:
how's about 208V/3PH, hardwired kettle?
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Hardwired equipment is supplied by a connection to an outlet. In general the outlet is the point where the branch circuit conductors connect to the equipment. I don't see kettle on the list in 210.8(D) or 422.5, so GFCI would not be required.
 
wwhitney said:
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Every receptacle is an outlet, but not every outlet is or has a receptacle.

So I guess the above is true in the sense of "receptacle and outlet are not interchangeable terms."

Cheers, Wayne
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You are right. I should have said it the other way around. I was mainly concerned with the verbiage. Where they are all different things. The device making the connection is a receptacle.

3 different definitions.

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Receptacle.
A contact device installed at the outlet for the connection of an attachment plug, or for the direct connection of electrical utilization equipment designed to mate with the corresponding contact device. A single receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact device on the same yoke or strap. A multiple receptacle is two or more contact devices on the same yoke or strap. (CMP-18)

Receptacle Outlet.
An outlet where one or more receptacles are installed. (CMP-18)

Outlet.
A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. (CMP-1)
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A receptacle is used as an outlet. I was just trying to say they aren't the same definition.
 
tortuga said:
But one thing I wonder is going by the NEC definitions an outlet is the 'point' where current is taken to supply utilization equipment, so if I have a 50A receptacle for a temporary feeder and that feeder supplies a spider box with breakers and GFCI receptacles then is that 'feeder' receptacle an 'outlet' still?
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Is the "spider box" part of the premises wiring system? If not, that 50A receptacle is definitely an outlet.

I do agree that if you can come up with a scenario that the cord cap and cord are part of the premises wiring, then the receptacle they attach to would not be an outlet. But I think such scenarios would be very rare to non-existant.

Cheers, Wayne
 
wwhitney said:
Is your point that under the new definition, if you have a double gang box with two duplexes installed, that is now definitively two outlets, which is different from saying there is one outlet somewhere within that double gang box?

Cheers, Wayne
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I am not making any point, just posting the new code language.
 
tortuga said:
. . . if I have a 50A receptacle for a temporary feeder and that feeder supplies a spider box with breakers and GFCI receptacles then is that 'feeder' receptacle an 'outlet' still?
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Yes. That feeder is still the point on the distribution system from which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. The spider box, not being itself a permanent element of the distribution system, is the utilization equipment.
 
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