12-2 NM through a hole

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Dennis Alwon said:
I take it you never stapled 2 wires together in the eaves of an attic.

Splinetto you obviously can do as you please but to condemn someone elses work for being code compliant is not right. If you can show it is a violation of the NEC then show it don't sit there and say you think it's wrong.
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You must like to overreact alot if you think I was condemning his work .. Dont be so sensitive...On the otherhand why do I have to prove 1 per 1 is right why dont you prove it is Ok to have cables supporting each other and multiple cables per hole?
 
splinetto said:
why dont you prove it is Ok to have cables supporting each other and multiple cables per hole?
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I don't think anyone will agree with your view that the cables are supporting each other and because that is not how the NEC works.
 
iwire said:
I don't think anyone will agree with your view that the cables are supporting each other and because that is not how the NEC works.
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The cables must be supported...And my opinion is that whatever the cable is resting on is supporting it...The hole is supporting a cable that is supporting a cable and so on
 
splinetto said:
300.11(b).......or am I missing something?
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Yea, that's for raceways. I think your bullet has a (C) on it instead of a (B).

So, if I run one cable through a single hole, it's a violation of 300.11(C) if there's dust on the cable?
 
480sparky said:
Yea, that's for raceways. I think your bullet has a (C) on it instead of a (B).

So, if I run one cable through a single hole, it's a violation of 300.11(C) if there's dust on the cable?
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I can almost sense some of you all coming over to my side
 
splinetto said:
300.11(b).......or am I missing something?
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No, I am missing something here. Actually, I guess I have no right to add to this being unfamiliar at the moment on that exact code, but here it is.

Why are you saying cables are being supported by cables? In that scenario, the cables are considering being supported by the bottom of the hog hole, are they not? I'll have to try and find some old pic's I have. If you are saying that is a violation, than I should of been shot long ago.
At first it looked like there was CAT5 in the run with the NM, that's one thing, but too many cables in the same hole? I'm left scratching my head:-? Nothing was EVER said like that to me in the resi's I have done!
 
splinetto said:
Would it be OK to run pipe and just rest it on top of other pipes that are properly supported?(with or without dust)
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If I want to run a number of pipes horizontally thorough holes in framing members as allowed by 358.30(B), then yes, IMO I could just pile them up in the holes. It is not prohibited.
 
iwire said:
If I want to run a number of pipes horizontally thorough holes in framing members as allowed by 358.30(B), then yes, IMO I could just pile them up in the holes. It is not prohibited.
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Just say they are perpendicular to the trusses and there is a run of 10 pipes with your logic you could throw another pipe up and lay it on the other and just say "Mr. Inspector I know that pipe is just laying on the others however they are not supporting it, you see that truss is actually supporting it and if you really think about it is also being supported by that post over there" I bet he would be amazed with that logic he might even take you out for lunch
 
splinetto said:
Just say they are perpendicular to the trusses and there is a run of 10 pipes with your logic you could throw another pipe up and lay it on the other and just say ....
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No, that is not through a hole in a framing member.

Don't forget to the NEC there is a difference between securing and supporting.

Back to to the cables.

Lets say you have 4 cables running through a series of holes in studs.

Now..

Remove the one or more of the cables......the others are still supported.

Remove the stud.......the cables fall.

The cables may be resting against each other or on top of each other but the cables would stay in place without other cables.
 
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