14/3 to attic

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i have a situation where a 14/3 was pulled to the attic. now the HO wants to
make a BR & den...anyone found a double pole afci for new CH panels..
 
yes on the cutler-hammer website.

go to this page; download the link for the catalog on the right-hand side of the page.

The part # for a 2-pole 15A AFCI w/ common trip is CH215AF.

I did a web search w/ that part number and found it w/ a price of $341.76. I know a lot of these small online retailers have an extremely high markup.

I was thinking if that was too much you could opt for a 70A two space panel fed by the 14-3, and use two single-pole AFCI's, but honestly if you go through that trouble it will end up costing as much as the 2-pole AFCI.



edit-- it appears my link takes you directly to the .pdf
 
donselectric said:
i have a situation where a 14/3 was pulled to the attic. now the HO wants to
make a BR & den...anyone found a double pole afci for new CH panels..
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Set yourself a small sub panel, with the 14/3, up there and feed the circuits with sp arc fault combo types.
 
If there is no bathroom up there I don't believe it would be considered a bedroom. You can check with the building inspections dept.
 
Is the den becoming a bedroom? Why cant you put the den and bedroom on one circuit? Cap the red wire in the panel. Are you guys saying to mount the subpanel in the attic? How would you let the next guy know you have a subpanel in the attic?
 
billdozier said:
Is the den becoming a bedroom? Why cant you put the den and bedroom on one circuit? Cap the red wire in the panel. Are you guys saying to mount the subpanel in the attic? How would you let the next guy know you have a subpanel in the attic?
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The panel can be mounted in the bedroom or den.
 
One quick question for the OP......... are you on the '05 or '08?

Dennis Alwon said:
If there is no bathroom up there I don't believe it would be considered a bedroom. You can check with the building inspections dept.
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Huh? What does calling something a bedroom have to do with a bathroom?
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Set yourself a small sub panel, with the 14/3, up there and feed the circuits with sp arc fault combo types.
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See 225.39



Dennis Alwon said:
If there is no bathroom up there I don't believe it would be considered a bedroom. You can check with the building inspections dept.
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I do not believe that in most jurisdictions that a bedroom is defined with a bathroom.


As has been mentioned, I would consider using one circuit, unless the OP is not referencing the '08 and can use a branch/feeder type of AFCI.
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
I do not believe that in most jurisdictions that a bedroom is defined with a bathroom.
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In one of our areas if the bathroom is not in the vicinity of the room then it will not be considered a bedroom. In one instance you had to walk across a main living area to get to a bathroom and the AHJ judged it to not be a bedroom.

Explain to me what part of 225.39 this circuit would fall under. If it is (D) then you could use a 60 amp panel.
 
ctmike said:
it is normally a closet here that makes a room a bedroom
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That is another factor around here also. I have seen inspectors say a rec. room was a bedroom because it had a bathroom and a closet. It is a very tough one to call. Around here it must have a window in the room-- I guess that is the second means of egress.
 
ctmike said:
it is normally a closet here that makes a room a bedroom
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Used to be like that, then people wised up and just eliminated the closet. ( due to thats how they sized the septic, based on bedrooms ) Now its based on if the room has privacy or not. IMO, a bedroom is a bedroom. If you dont know what a bedroom looks like by now you probably never will. :D
 
Dennis Alwon said:
In one of our areas if the bathroom is not in the vicinity of the room then it will not be considered a bedroom. In one instance you had to walk across a main living area to get to a bathroom and the AHJ judged it to not be a bedroom.....
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Holy cow! Then 95% of the farmhouses in my area don't have any bedrooms because they're all rooms upstairs and the bathroom is downstairs.

Does that area still require smokes in those rooms not considered a bedroom?
 
480sparky said:
Holy cow! Then 95% of the farmhouses in my area don't have any bedrooms because they're all rooms upstairs and the bathroom is downstairs.

Does that area still require smokes in those rooms not considered a bedroom?
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I am just stating what they do here obviously in your neck of the woods they look at things differently. If the room is not deemed a bedroom then no sd or afci are necessary however there would still be the required sd on that floor level.

If the room appears to be a bedroom to me I will install SD's and arc faults even if they say it is not necessary. We had a room in the middle of a house- no windows and one door-- apparently it could not be used as a bedroom. You know darn well that it was going to be used as one so I wired it as if it were a bedroom
 
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