1600 kW service, 3400 Amp conductors;

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Getting back to the original question. Although ISO-phase at first sounds attractive with an underground installation, it has additional constraints and issues if you are paralleling conductors.

I.) The arrangement and spacing of conduits in a paralleled ISO-phase installation can significantly affect how well the currents are balanced between the conductors that are paralleled on each phase. That is because the mutual inductance between the conductors (from shared magnetic fields) affects the overall reactance on each phase. And the larger the conductors are, the more the reactance will dominate the resistance.

Currents in two parallel conductors that are in-phase with each other will experience an increased reactance, while out-of-phase currents will have a decreased reactance. That is because the mutual inductance is adding reactance in the first case, and subtracting it in the second case.

Just as an example, consider the following two ISO-phase arrangements of conduits laid out on a single plane, with each phase having its conductors split between two conduits (which will then be paralleled):

1. A A B B C C
2. A B C C B A

In the first arrangement, the first conduit (for phase A) only has one adjacent conduit, and the current in this adjacent conduit is in-phase with its own current. The second conduit for phase A also has an adjacent conduit for phase B, and the phase B current will have a component that is out-of-phase with the phase A current. This out-of-phase current will reduce the reactance experienced by the conductor in the second phase A conduit. As a result, the second conduit will have less reactance than the first and it will therefore conduct a larger share of the phase A current.
Similarly, the fifth conduit (phase C) will conduct more current than the sixth conduit (also on phase C).

The second arrangement has a mirror-image configuration. Because of this symmetry, the two conduits on each phase experience the same surrounding magnetic fields from the other conductors, and their conductors wils therefore have the same reactance. After paralleling, the different phases will have different reactances from each other, but it will not affect the current sharing between the parallel conductors.

Background:
https://www.google.com/books/editio...trefoil,+spacing&pg=PA188&printsec=frontcover

II.) A second limitation of paralleling with ISO-phase is that the number of conduits will need to be a multiple of 3 to accommodate the phases, plus the conduits for neutrals if used. But using complete sets having the conductors for all phases and neutral does not have this limitation, and so you can incrementally increase the number of conduits as needed.
Also, although complete sets are not immune from the effects of conduit spacing and arrangement on how well the currents on parallel conductors will balance, it will be less sensitive than will ISO-phase because of the closer spacing of the phase conductors within a set. And with the 90 and 45 degree bends that were mentioned, maintaining conduit spacing, etc. could be difficult.
 

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I think you need to ask Doc Brown where to get a Mr. Fusion or 3.
1600 kW comes from what other source?

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Open Neutral

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But POCOs hate intermittent power use. It wrecks things for them.

I've often wondered about the demand charges on the northern section of Amtrak's Northeast corridor. An Acela draws about 11MW and is then is onto another segment a minute or two later. Plus, it's single-phase.

The antique (circa 1910) PRR 25Hz southern section has its own 138KV/25 Hz transmission line over the trackage.
 

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Another concern: Is the natural gas supply demand-limited? I've known of places with gas water heaters with load-shedding contracts for favorable rates. In cold snaps, the user has to switch to oil-fired heaters when the gas demand is high.

And electric load-shedding... In Sept 1991, Con Ed asked Ma to shed load at 33 Thomas St. NYC; that's a major hub and was the international gateway for European traffic. When Ma later switched back off its generators to ConEd, their rectifiers tripped off, and nobody noticed. Too late, they did, but.... The huge outage took out comms to all three airports, and many other places. It led to Congressional hearings.

So what happens in January when the natural gas supply is rationed at the truck stop?
 
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