20A Receptacle Debate

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Just a side bar to this and a question for the moderators - Why isn't this thread fitting properly on my monitor ? I keep having to move the cursor over to read each post. The last time this happened someone posted a photo that was too large.
 
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Originally posted by goldstar:
Why isn't this thread fitting properly on my monitor ? I keep having to move the cursor over to read each post.
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This time it was caused the use of the :p

Bob

[ December 19, 2004, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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Thanks Bob, I didn't know that. I edited out the "code" and replaced it with "quote". I trust I didn't change anything that would change the intent of the wording.
 
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Originally posted by apauling: how would one go about proving which outlet is not the one required?
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You put the required outlets ?ground up,? and the others ?ground down.? ;)
 
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iwire: i am confused about what you are saying. are you saying that you now agree with Tonyi that dining and kitchen circuits above the minimum requirements can be 15 amp?

i read the whole thread and did not see you do a turnabout to accept Tonyi's assertion.

anyway i am not clear which position you are now stating as all of your posts on your posted reference agree with my statement.

????

paul :)
 
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Originally posted by apauling:
iwire: i am confused about what you are saying. are you saying that you now agree with Tonyi that dining and kitchen circuits above the minimum requirements can be 15 amp?
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Yes that is what I am saying, I agree with Tony.

Even though I don't like it.


Originally posted by apauling:
i read the whole thread and did not see you do a turnabout to accept Tonyi's assertion.
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Your right, I thought I had ended that thread agreeing with Tony but I guess I could never bring myself to do so.

Stubborn pride. :(

Bob
 
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i still don't agree with tony and don't think he won the debate. There are others, the majority it seems, who also do not agree that he won his point.

outlets that are closer than wall spacing minimums are not extras. Extra outlets not defined in the nec anywhere.

however, I think that specific outlets that are removed from the general provisions by location and use, may fall outside the 20 amp rule.

i don't want to re-open a debate that was page after page of rehashing the same statements with various people chiming in, as it solves nothing. I can also accept that we disagree without it being a big deal. Lawyers argue documents that were meant to be bullet proof, everyone knows what was intended, and yet, once in a while they prevail with a loophole or originators of document do not see all possible interpretations.

have a good Chrismas week and treat your workers with good cheer.

paul :)
 
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Paul,

The point of that thread, and many on this board, was to argue about the Code, nothing more. Because we never do that, right? ;)

In practice, no electrician with an ounce of pride would install 15 amp circuits in a kitchen or dining room just to take adavantage of a (perceived) code loophole.
 
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the supervising inspector and one area inspector called me on the carpet for calling for 20 amp in dining rooms. there are those who treat verbal irregularities and equivocations as actual loopholes.

i no longer am employed there.

the referenced posts by iwire were for real for some of the participants.

paul :)
 
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Originally posted by iwire:
Your right, I thought I had ended that thread agreeing with Tony but I guess I could never bring myself to do so.

Stubborn pride. :(

Bob
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Bob,

This forum is very good at shattering our long-held beliefs and assertions, isn't it?

That is one of the many great things about this forum; especially for me because I never accept "That's the way it's done" for an answer.

Unfortunately, many people in the field can't and won't change their mind when you tell them they've been doing it wrong for years, even after you show them the answer in the book. :D :cool:

[ December 20, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: peter d ]
 
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