Fred B
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That's a lot of 3Ph receptacles to need 300 in the next 3 months per OP.
210.8, GFCI not within branch circuit
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ptonsparky
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Note that OP said one order was short 20 or so three pole breakers.
brantmacga
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I understand. I don't really see any other options. The largest AHJ's we work with are flat out denying any chance of a provisional CO.
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Yes.
hbiss
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From another thread.
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brantmacga
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The AHJ’s I do residential in are allowing temp CO’s without AFCI’s, and they were making an exception on GFCI’s for outdoor equipment; now that the state has announced they’ll amend the code to remove that requirement it doesn’t matter.
But on commercial, all have said they won’t make an exception due to liability concerns.
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hbiss
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About all I can say is somebody has some fighting to do.
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brantmacga
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I have two friends that work in local state rep offices. I suppose I need to give them a call Monday and see if i can get in front of my congressman. It would ultimately need to go to the governor but that’d probably be a good start. The problem is that I’m in 5 states and it would really only help me in my home state. I see their point though about liability, and ultimately it falls on me as well. It’s such a difficult spot to be in.
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hbiss
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If they can do it for residential why is the liability for commercial any different?
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For 3-phase circuits rated 30A or less, the Hubbell GFCI protection device below could be used if it's available. Of course you'd still need a regular 3-pole breaker. Just bringing it up as a possible option.
https://www.hubbell.com/wiringdevic...ices/GFHW430/p/1724976#prod-resources-section
https://www.hubbell.com/wiringdevic...ices/GFHW430/p/1724976#prod-resources-section
Fred B
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In commercial applications OSHA has their hands into the mix as well, where workers might be exposed to the risk.
Plus exposure is greater by the number of public individuals potentially exposed to the equipment depending of locations of the equipment. In residential the HO bears most of the liability and would be informed of the risks (informed concent), in a commercial space the process that could be viewed as informed concent would be impractical for general public access areas.
Doesn't change the risk of electrical equipment failure in either type of occupancy that could result in a shock or electrocution, just the level of exposure.
I agree.
Plus, like it or not, the shock potential in a commercial kitchen is much more likely than in a residential home.
There's more metal surfaces, more prolonged contact, more electrical equipment, more wet floors etc...
The shortage is affecting everyone in all aspects, there is no good answer.
Think about the whole GFI waiver idea if it was your child heading to his first day on the job in a commercial kitchen you wired.
Then decide.
If the AHJ say no, then, they've already figured it out for you.
It's not like it's going to be any different answer for anyone else who tries to "keep the wheels turning" on this project.
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