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I have not met this situation before.

One suggestion for meeting the NEC is to install two duplex GFCI receptacles at above counter space, circuit them at different SA circuit.
 
tbonse said:
Stickboy, here's a thought, take advantage of being able to place the refrigerator on one of those SA circuits for the kitchen ;)
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While the fridge can be on one of the SABC's, you are still required to have 2 SABC's serve the counter top surface.
 
dahualin said:
One suggestion for meeting the NEC is to install two duplex GFCI receptacles at above counter space, circuit them at different SA circuit.
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That would be my solution. Put one duplex receptacle 5 inches from the left hand edge of the countertop, and another 5 inches from the right hand edge. Put them on different SA circuits. 15 inches of countertop is enough room for both a coffee pot and a toaster. So just follow the rules with the simplest possible installation.

You can then use those same two SA circuits, if you wish, to power receptacles in the dining room and certain other rooms.
 
Wow I hope no women live in that house. I would just split the receptacle with the two branch circuits. That would meet the minimum code.
 
iwire said:
I just want to mention that the fact an inspector does not enforce an NEC section does not mean you do not have a violation.
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The AHJ does have the right to grant special permission. If you request special permisson and the inspection department agrees to your request then you no longer have a violation. This would not be the same as not enforcing the code.

This similar to a " Variance " to a building code.
 
charlie b said:
You can then use those same two SA circuits, if you wish, to power receptacles in the dining room and certain other rooms.
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With 15" of available countertop, what "other rooms" do you honesty think exist there?
 
discostu said:
Wow I hope no women live in that house. I would just split the receptacle with the two branch circuits. That would meet the minimum code.
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where would you put the gfci devices or would you use a gfci breaker ?
GFCI breakers are just to expensive and in order to split a duplex and use GFCI devices they would have to be on a wall in a nook or a dining area.If you did the latter the device would enevitably be behind a 500lb. china closet.I like charlies idea or just a 2 gang with GFCI devices.JMHO.
 
celtic said:
With 15" of available countertop, what "other rooms" do you honesty think exist there?
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Don't know; don't need to know. There are no rules that require a minimum amount of counter space in a kitchen. There might be a separate dining room and a pantry and a breakfast room, and there might also be wall space in the kitchen that will require receptacles. My point was that you don't need to dedicate one SA circuit to one of the two duplex receptacles above the countertop, and to dedicate another SA circuit to the other duplex receptacle above the countertop. You need those two receptacles, but you may use the two SA circuits for other receptacles in (certain) other rooms.
 
I see what you are saying....I am thinking this is a very small condo/apt. ...guess we'll have to see what stickboy tells us about overall the layout.
 
Just a simple question here .......210.52 B 3,states that there shall be no fewer than 2 SA circuits to supply counter top surfaces.So how do you comply with that article and have 2 receptacles on one small countertop surface without having 2 seperate circuits there.Does it change when there is only one counter top surface if it does I can`t find a reference to that.You can use the SA circuit to supply a fridge (if not a local addendum that prevents that) or to supply a dining area or nooks receps.
But the point is that there still must be (2) SA circuits that supply counter top receps.There are no exceptions that negate this requirement anywhere.Or am I missing something ?????
 
It is actually an apartment... I just wanted some feedback on the situation... and if you are wondering what I did, I didn't follow code for one... :( but I did learn something... read the code before guessing you know something, I forgot all about having actually 2 circuits on the counter, but no matter how you slice it, it is a joke to actually have 2 circuits on 15" worth of space... but IF I did do it to code I would have made it a quad with two GFI's...
 
stickboy1375 said:
It is actually an apartment... I just wanted some feedback on the situation... and if you are wondering what I did, I didn't follow code for one... :( but I did learn something... read the code before guessing you know something, I forgot all about having actually 2 circuits on the counter, but no matter how you slice it, it is a joke to actually have 2 circuits on 15" worth of space... but IF I did do it to code I would have made it a quad with two GFI's...
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Errm, not at all a joke. My Mr Coffee is 975W and my toaster oven is 1600W. Both fit in 15". And both get used around breakfast time :D

(And my clamp meter is broken, Bob, so don't ask me what they really use when they're both turned on!)
 
i've never seen a toaster oven smaller than a foot, so your coffee maker is 3 inches? or do you run the coffee maker cord over the top of the toaster? just wondering...how would you open the toaster door with the coffee maker in front???? try again honey...
 
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stickboy1375 said:
i've never seen a toaster oven smaller than a foot, so your coffee maker is 3 inches? or do you run the coffee maker cord over the top of the toaster? just wondering...how would you open the toaster door with the coffee maker in front???? try again honey...
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Okay, maybe it's 4" wide? :D

Still, I can get almost 2600W in not a lot of counter space, and I could find one that was an under-the-cabinet model, and then horizontal space isn't as big a deal.
 
If any of the tenants do have a problem I did run a 12-3 to the counter outlet, i'm just using the other circuit for the fridge... I just didn't give them TWO circuits at the counter...
 
stickboy1375 said:
If any of the tenants do have a problem I did run a 12-3 to the counter outlet, i'm just using the other circuit for the fridge... I just didn't give them TWO circuits at the counter...
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That would be a quick fix.1 gang becomes 2 gang and add a device.See you fixed it without knowing it.:)
 
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allenwayne said:
That would be a quick fix.1 gang becomes 2 gang and add a device.See you fixed it without knowing it.:)
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Good Idea, I agree.
 
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