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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
That appears to just be the motors. What about any controls? You need to look at the machine nameplate, not just the motor nameplates.
3 phase question have 208 v, need 460v
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Is this just a single motor machine and no other loads?
why mention 1725 "or" 3450 rpm? Chances are it is designed for one or the other and won't work so well with "the other". The high speed motor is going to attempt to do work at least twice the rate as the low speed motor before we even look any further into details about the driven machine.
why mention 1725 "or" 3450 rpm? Chances are it is designed for one or the other and won't work so well with "the other". The high speed motor is going to attempt to do work at least twice the rate as the low speed motor before we even look any further into details about the driven machine.
Stevenfyeager
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Thank you. This is all Greek to me. I may have to pass this job on to a friend of mine who does more commercial.
hillbilly1
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Good plan! You don’t want to buy any motors or controllers that have had the magic smoke let out!
Stevenfyeager
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hillbilly1
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Does have low voltage (24 volt) control, but not much more info than that. Manufacturers website doesn’t load.
texie
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- Electrician, Contractor, Inspector
Just tell your customer to reach out to the manufacturer. Their website says other voltage options are available. Don't count on being able to field convert this in the field as your current will be about double at 208 and some components may be undersized.
synchro
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Although it's not really your job, it might be helpful to confirm with the customer that the standard power unit can handle the duty cycle they would be using.
From the manual:
"NOTE 2: Standard HBD units, i.e. not equipped with high cycle power unit, are not designed for high cycle use. High cycle use is defined as 12-15 motor starts per hour for 3 or more consecutive hours. If your application requires high cycle use, you must upgrade the standard power unit with a high cycle power unit."
Perhaps she already has this covered, but you never know.
From the manual:
"NOTE 2: Standard HBD units, i.e. not equipped with high cycle power unit, are not designed for high cycle use. High cycle use is defined as 12-15 motor starts per hour for 3 or more consecutive hours. If your application requires high cycle use, you must upgrade the standard power unit with a high cycle power unit."
Perhaps she already has this covered, but you never know.
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Let me ask my stupid question!
208V is usually associated with Wye system. You say to use a 208 delta for the primary. How is the 208 configured to be Delta?
208V is usually associated with Wye system. You say to use a 208 delta for the primary. How is the 208 configured to be Delta?
ptonsparky
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Just hook up the three phases. No neutral. The transformer is looking for 208.
Think delta connected motor.
Think delta connected motor.
hillbilly1
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You are starting with a whole new system. Doesn’t mater what the old system is configured as, delta or wye. The voltage is what maters. You could have a wye-wye , or delta-delta if you wanted to. Delta wye is the most common, and usually the most stable combination.
winnie
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The supply system is 208V wye.
The transformer is a load connected to this supply. They do not need to be the same.
Delta:wye transformers are the most common and generally most easily used. The new derived wye is easily grounded and you don't have the neutral impedance problems found in wye:wye transformers.
Jon
texie
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As others stated already. No different than a standard step down to 208 application in a 480Y building. The 480 side will be delta and the 208 side will be Y.
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- Semi-Retired Electrician
Thanks all!
ptonsparky
Tom
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They head off in all directions with little concern if they should.I hate it when the electrons get confused!
Stevenfyeager
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Help ! the manager isn't liking me passing the job along. She says the man who installed the trash compactor told her no additional power needs to be run for this tool. I took a photo today of the switch of the compactor nest to where the new box tilting machine will go. It was a used machine they brought a couple of years ago and the installer told me we didn't have the right voltage the day he installed it. (Even though we called and asked which 3 phase to install for the machine before we did any work 
) The man said, "ok, not problem, I'll just make the change in the machine." I was out of my mostly residential experience realm. So I noticed the old 460 volts sign still on it today. This photo is only a switch, not a transformer, right ? I know we have 208 only going into the machine.
I am going to put a '208 volt' label over the 460 v. There is no way he switched my 208 to 460 and that was his label, correct ?
Please help, thank you.
) The man said, "ok, not problem, I'll just make the change in the machine." I was out of my mostly residential experience realm. So I noticed the old 460 volts sign still on it today. This photo is only a switch, not a transformer, right ? I know we have 208 only going into the machine.I am going to put a '208 volt' label over the 460 v. There is no way he switched my 208 to 460 and that was his label, correct ?
Please help, thank you.
Stevenfyeager
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- electrical contractor
this website says my photo is too large to process
Stevenfyeager
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Stevenfyeager
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- United States, Indiana
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- electrical contractor
I called the mfr today and he said it is hardwired and comes with a hand control. The other two machines were hardwired, I can do that.
But I am questioning the compactor installer's message....."no additional power needs run" ?
But I am questioning the compactor installer's message....."no additional power needs run" ?
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