30 amp Electric Range

Grouch

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I'm looking for a 30 amp electric range (208 volt, single phase). The minimum I'm finding from manufacturers is 40 amps.

Does anybody know of 30 amp ranges? I'm only finding 30 amp ovens... but I need a range (oven + cooktop).
 
I didn’t do the math but a 240 volt range on 208 will be somewhat less.
The math is 75%, so resistive heating elements rated at 240V 40A should be rated at 208V 30A. Although I did not confirm by reading 220.55 that this works for ranges

[208V = sqrt(3) * 120V ; 240V = 2 * 120V ; ratio is sqrt(3)/2; P = V2/R, so the ratio for P is 3/4.]

Cheers, Wayne
 
You'll need to find one that is less than 8.75 KW to not use the minimum 40 amp branch circuit.
The question is whether it is OK NEC-wise to take the 240V kW rating and multiply by 75% to get the 208V kW rating. As that is what the physics says (for a constant resistance approximation; if the resistance of the element rises with temperature, it could be that the draw is somewhat over 75%).

If so, a range rated at 10 kW @ 240V is only 7.5 kW @ 208V. Which qualifies for column B in 220.55, so the load for one is 80% of the rating, or 6 kW. Which is under 30A @ 208V.

Cheers, Wayne
 
The question is whether it is OK NEC-wise to take the 240V kW rating and multiply by 75% to get the 208V kW rating. As that is what the physics says (for a constant resistance approximation; if the resistance of the element rises with temperature, it could be that the draw is somewhat over 75%).

Cheers, Wayne
Hmm. I don't think it's ok NEC-wise. As far as I know from the NEC, and previous threads on this forum discussing this issue, you have to use the nameplate rating, whether you use table 220.55 or an optional calculation. So you can't derate the range by 75%, when calculating the feeder. You can only derate when calculating the branch circuit to the range. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

All that being said, I found this 40 amp range:

Please scroll down to the bottom of the 1st page... the amp draw is 10 amps at 120 volts, and 13 amps at 240 volts. Does this make sense? If I'm drawing only 13 amps at 240 volts, why use a 40 amp breaker?
 
Hmm. I don't think it's ok NEC-wise.
Agreed that ideally you'd find a range with a nameplate saying some like "Voltage: 240/208V" and "kW Rating: 10.0/7.5".

Please scroll down to the bottom of the 1st page... the amp draw is 10 amps at 120 volts, and 13 amps at 240 volts. Does this make sense? If I'm drawing only 13 amps at 240 volts, why use a 40 amp breaker?
Doesn't make sense to me.

Cheers, Wayne
 
We know that Almost never would they all be full on at the same time. I'd be tempted to put the 30 amp breaker on it and go down the road.
I use propane but I don't think I've ever used more than 2 burners at once. Not to mention I hardly ever use the oven. I've got a grill and a smoker right outside under roof, not to mention a crockpot and a microwave. I think a 4 burner range is really a throwback to another time when you were making eggs, and potatoes, and had a percolator on the burner. And on Sundays mom made a roast and baked pies
 
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