3D Printed Breaker Locks

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Are you allowed to obscure the manufacturer's markings?
I am at my house 30 miles from the nearest inspector. LMAO

Seriously...I don't sweat that kind of retarded crap. And notice there ain't a single AFCI in either panel. I'm not game for all that BS either.
 
Ya, the only 14 awg in the house is from switches to lights and the smoke detector circuit. Everything else is #12 even feeding all the switches. The local inspector here in town won't approve ANYTHING wired with #14.....but lucky for me I live in the sticks and don't have to have inspections.
Good thing, no inspections as you can't run a 20A lighting circuit and use #14 from switch to lights.
Why would you choose to run 20A for lighting anyway?
 
Good thing, no inspections as you can't run a 20A lighting circuit and use #14 from switch to lights.
Why would you choose to run 20A for lighting anyway?
Because my lighting and recept circuits aren't separate. I get the whole rating thing....but when a group of 4 wafer lights pulls less than a couple amps, anything over 14 is insane to me. Don't worry, I don't wire house for a living....as if you couldn't already tell. :cool:
 
I just read this post today. And this thread is a prime example. LMAO

 
Because my lighting and recept circuits aren't separate. I get the whole rating thing....but when a group of 4 wafer lights pulls less than a couple amps, anything over 14 is insane to me. Don't worry, I don't wire house for a living....as if you couldn't already tell. :cool:
Just going by your labels, some just say lighting. Aside from code, #12 in switch boxes is a nightmare and quickly eats up box fill. You took care of that with the #14 to the lights! :D
 
Just going by your labels, some just say lighting. Aside from code, #12 in switch boxes is a nightmare and quickly eats up box fill. You took care of that with the #14 to the lights! :D
Well, you are correct, a few of the circuits are only lighting, I just didn't divide all the lighting up. Dealing with box fill in 3 and 4-gang boxes that are full of 3 and 4 way switches and wafer driver boxes with 12 sucks and that's why I used 14 for that little stuff. Like I said...code smode. If I was doing it for someone else and was liable then it would be different. I spent weeks planning this house and the electrical plan all out on paper. I haven't even trimmed it out yet and there are a dozen things I would have done differently. I guess the day I stop learning I'll be dead.
 
The service feeders must be that new invisible wire. I like it. :D Panels look like a professional did them.
 
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The mains must be that new invisible wire. I like it. :D Panels look like a professional did them.
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. I ran the mains after I got the panels done. Didn't want to work around that big crap. And no, I did not put big ol' fallopian tube looking loops in the mains at the top of the panel. LMAO
 
In the most unlikely event that our power is out AND out Generac goes down, I can shut off the main in that panel (the ATS will be flipped to generator as well) and I can connect my welder and back feed only that panel and supply the critical loads in orange in the chart and lights.
That's not an acceptable way to meet that goal. It relies on the user (which might not be you, it could be the successor owner after your sudden death, or a visitor) to flip the main breaker, and it would use a suicide cord.

So if you want that functionality, you need to add a separate mechanically interlocked 50A breaker to the panel, with separate conductors going to a generator inlet (not an outlet).

Cheers, Wayne
 
That's not an acceptable way to meet that goal. It relies on the user (which might not be you, it could be the successor owner after your sudden death, or a visitor) to flip the main breaker, and it would use a suicide cord.

So if you want that functionality, you need to add a separate mechanically interlocked 50A breaker to the panel, with separate conductors going to a generator inlet (not an outlet).

Cheers, Wayne
Agreed. Not ideal, but gives a means if necessary.

So, adding a generator inlet box wouldn't be that big of a deal, but you mentioned a 50A mechanically interlocked breaker. So, you mean on the outside of the structure, have an interlocked 50A breaker in an enclosure feeding into the 50A breaker in the main panel? Do you have an example of that device?

Chances of EVER back-feeding it would be almost zero. And I won't label it as "backfeed" when I label out the panel nicely, it will just say RV or Welder. It probably won't change, but I am interested in more details of what you are saying to learn.
 
you mentioned a 50A mechanically interlocked breaker.
Homeline (as do many manufacturers and some third parties) has a kit that bolts to the cover of the panel to mechanically interlock the main breaker with one specific breaker location, often the upper right. Namely:


That means you can still do something stupid by taking the panel cover off, but that shouldn't happen accidentally or unintentionally . . .

Cheers, Wayne
 
Homeline (as do many manufacturers and some third parties) has a kit that bolts to the cover of the panel to mechanically interlock the main breaker with one specific breaker location, often the upper right. Namely:


That means you can still do something stupid by taking the panel cover off, but that shouldn't happen accidentally or unintentionally . . .

Cheers, Wayne
Ahhh, I follow you now. Basically, ANY 50A can be back feed is the user is brave enough. I do have a suicide cord from years past and I won't use it unless abosultely necessary. :cool: Thanks for the link. I had forgot about those little brackets.
 
They just push on with enough interference fit they stay nice and snug but can be pulled off as well. These are all dedicated circuits.
Do the breakers still break? The interference fit doesn't restrict their tripping, does it?
 
Do the breakers still break? The interference fit doesn't restrict their tripping, does it?
Breakers are trip free, meaning it will trip even with the handle held on
Yes ^^^^^^. You just have to pull them if you need to reset them. I've done some sketchy schidt for a Klondike Bar....but I'd never want a breaker that couldn't trip if it needed to. ;)
 
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