6-12 rule in garage

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I just got flagged regarding outlet in a finished garage. The AHJ stated that since it is finished, the 6-12 rule applies but could not gave me any references about it.

I know that s minimum one gfci outlet per garage on top of equipment outlet but that s for unfinished.

My memory is lacking at the moment and I can't recall anything regarding finished garage/basement.

Does the 6-12 rule applies?

Any thoughts on this? Just wondering if I can fighting before running the extra outlets
 
6/12 rule apply? I don't see garages on the list and calling it a similar room or area is a stretch.

210.12(A) General Provisions. In every kitchen, family room,dining room, living room, parlor, library, den, sunroom,
bedroom, recreation room, or similar room or area of
dwelling units, receptacle outlets shall be installed in accor-
dance with the general provisions specified in 210.52(A)(1)
through (A)(4).
(1) Spacing. Receptacles shall be installed such that no
point measured horizontally along the floor line of any wall
space is more than 1.8 m (6 ft) from a receptacle outlet.
(2) Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall
include the following:
(1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including
space measured around corners) and unbroken along
the floor line by doorways and similar openings, fire-
places, and fixed cabinets
(2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls,
excluding sliding panels
(3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers, such as
freestanding bar-type counters or railings
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As of the 1st of this year You are required to install 1 outlet per car space and also 1 inch conduit to a panel with 2 pole breaker space for future car charging.

Nothing in a CA version of the 2014 NEC refers to the 6-12 rule.
 
Nicksab said:
I just got flagged regarding outlet in a finished garage.....


...... finished garage/basement.

Does the 6-12 rule applies?
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What do you mean by finished, considering you also mentioned unfinished garage?

I've wired a number of houses where the garage would be finished into a real estate sales office with a PTAC to heat and cool it separately from the house.

If this is the case, then I would agree with the 6/12 rule
 
James L said:
What do you mean by finished, considering you also mentioned unfinished garage?

I've wired a number of houses where the garage would be finished into a real estate sales office with a PTAC to heat and cool it separately from the house.

If this is the case, then I would agree with the 6/12 rule
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Once it's "finished" then I don't see how it's still a garage. Garages have specific requirements in Article 210 that differ from the general requirements of 210.12(A). The application 6'/12" rule isn't one of them.
 
infinity said:
Once it's "finished" then I don't see how it's still a garage.....
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I agree, but it's usually still called a garage colloquially.

It would be a temporary finish. Interior walls may not go all the way to the ceiling. The garage doors are framed in and at least one entry door installed. This finish can be removed easily later if the house sells.

That's why I asked what is meant by finished, especially over and against unfinished (which he mentioned)
 
In my area, an unfinished garage has the studs exposed on the interior. Once the studs are covered, it's finished. Still a garage in either case.
Until it's rendered incapable of parking a car inside, it's a garage.
 
retirede said:
In my area, an unfinished garage has the studs exposed on the interior. Once the studs are covered, it's finished. Still a garage in either case.
Until it's rendered incapable of parking a car inside, it's a garage.
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So if it's full of household junk (very common these days), one must install receps using the 12' rule? :lol:
 
James L said:
What do you mean by finished, considering you also mentioned unfinished garage?

I've wired a number of houses where the garage would be finished into a real estate sales office with a PTAC to heat and cool it separately from the house.

If this is the case, then I would agree with the 6/12 rule
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By finished, I mean the wall are closed up with drywall. No heating or cooling provided.

I am talking about a grade level 2 car garage with a small utility room for the equipment.
 
James L said:
What do you mean by finished, considering you also mentioned unfinished garage?

I've wired a number of houses where the garage would be finished into a real estate sales office with a PTAC to heat and cool it separately from the house.

If this is the case, then I would agree with the 6/12 rule
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Oh dear lord. Do you really think the op is asking about converting a garage space into an office space?
 
ActionDave said:
Oh dear lord. Do you really think the op is asking about converting a garage space into an office space?
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Well, considering he also mentioned finished basement into his inquiry anout a finished garage, I thought it was prudent to ask.

Have you ever parked the car in a finished basement? Or would it be livable space?
 
Nicksab said:
I just got flagged regarding outlet in a finished garage. The AHJ stated that since it is finished, the 6-12 rule applies but could not gave me any references about it...
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In California inspectors know garage drywall is a prelude to occupants / illegal use of extension cords as permanent wiring. The code is 90.4

Kids conscientiously objecting to work or college, teen garage bands, renters helping pay the mortgage, or multi-familys w/ partitions dividing garages, outhouses, and RV/campers. Its all done with 100ft #18awg extension cords, draped outside thru a window or door, subject to damage, plugged into 20A outlets with no GFCI or AFCI protection, powering microwave ovens, space heaters, portable Air-Conditioners, and 500watt halogen lamps.
 
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ramsy said:
In California inspectors know garage drywall is a prelude to occupants / illegal use of extension cords as permanent wiring.
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So What. It is not the job of the inspector to enforce something not in the code just because .... That is the job of code enforcement.
Are we to put in additional cooking electrical in a garage because some day it may be used as a illegal rental. Or..... maybe additional 220v circuits in the spare bedroom because we all know a spare bedroom becomes a grow room. Come on there is no place for what if's. If it is not in the code it is not required.


The code is 90.4
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What does that section have to do with this? Of course the AHJ makes interpretations. Come on. A garage is a similar area. Let me guess you park you car in the living room because you like to gawk at it. or maybe use the hood as a table. With all due respect here we need to be realistic.

Kids conscientiously objecting to work or college, teen garage bands, renters helping pay the mortgage, or multi-familys w/ partitions dividing garages, outhouses, and RV/campers. Its all done with 100ft #18awg extension cords, draped outside thru a window or door, subject to damage, plugged into 20A outlets with no GFCI or AFCI protection, powering microwave ovens, space heaters, portable Air-Conditioners, and 500watt halogen lamps.
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So what, Again!!!!


This inspector would be run out of town if he insisted on such foolery.
 
ramsy said:
In California inspectors know garage drywall is a prelude to occupants / illegal use of extension cords as permanent wiring. The code is 90.4

Kids conscientiously objecting to work or college, teen garage bands, renters helping pay the mortgage, or multi-familys w/ partitions dividing garages, outhouses, and RV/campers. Its all done with 100ft #18awg extension cords, draped outside thru a window or door, subject to damage, plugged into 20A outlets with no GFCI or AFCI protection, powering microwave ovens, space heaters, portable Air-Conditioners, and 500watt halogen lamps.
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Why would sheetrock make a difference? Why only in CA? That kind of thing happens everywhere regardless of whether the garage is sheetrocked or not. Thing is it's called a GARAGE and you can't try and figure out what someone might do with it later. Might as well require the 6/12 rule to apply to walk in closets, hallways and laundry rooms.

-Hal
 
hbiss said:
Why would sheetrock make a difference? Why only in CA? That kind of thing happens everywhere regardless of whether the garage is sheetrocked or not. Thing is it's called a GARAGE and you can't try and figure out what someone might do with it later. Might as well require the 6/12 rule to apply to walk in closets, hallways and laundry rooms.
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Have not seen homes in other States. Around here, electricians don't hang drywall, but I could see them calling for inspection after attempting it.
 
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