6-12 rule in garage

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kwired said:
Exactly why some of us tell those that complain about an inspector that seems to be making up their own code to appeal to a supervisor or at least present code sections to that inspector that show what you think should be right, otherwise they just get used to people doing what they say (and expect them to comply with their wishes) even if they are wrong.
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I agree completely. I just learned to check my knowledge first ( by asking others like coming on this forum) and not deal with stubborn AHJ. Just go above him. Too many times, the AHJ feels the need to blow up on someone because he got pissed off on another inspection. Lesson learned.
 
Nicksab said:
We don't have any requirement for EV vehicles yet. I am still 2013 CEC which is based on 2011 NEC. So only required to have 1 outlet per garage 18" above AFF. and some other title 24 requirement such as occupancy sensor...
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Oh contrar, yes you do. If this project is in the state of California as your bio alludes then you are on the 2016 CEC and all the other codes the state adopted and placed into effect JAN 1 2017.
A local county or city cannot enforce less than the state code. All amendments must be by ordinance and registered with the state. Only more restrictive codes amendments are allowed with certain conditions. Those would be climatic, seismic and geographic.

So i guess you installed neither!:thumbsup:
 
Sierrasparky said:
Oh contrar, yes you do. If this project is in the state of California as your bio alludes then you are on the 2016 CEC and all the other codes the state adopted and placed into effect JAN 1 2017.
A local county or city cannot enforce less than the state code. All amendments must be by ordinance and registered with the state. Only more restrictive codes amendments are allowed with certain conditions. Those would be climatic, seismic and geographic.

So i guess you installed neither!:thumbsup:
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My bad you are right. I was taking information here
https://www.marincounty.org/depts/cd/divisions/building-and-safety/building-requirements

But it looks like they indeed adopted the 2016 CEC incorporating the 2014 NEC but forgot to updated their website.

The project is in California but was permitted over 2 years ago under the 2013 code at the time.

You just got me wondering which year applies now since this project gas been dragging for so long. May have to give the building a call again
 
Sierrasparky said:
So i guess you installed neither!:thumbsup:
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Combination inspector's not checking the plans, not enforcing energy code, making up his own code, allowed to make lots of mistakes.

Sounds like an iron-rice bowl retirement. Sign me up, I wanabe an inspector in Marin county, CA.
 
Sierrasparky said:
Oh contrar, yes you do. If this project is in the state of California as your bio alludes then you are on the 2016 CEC and all the other codes the state adopted and placed into effect JAN 1 2017.
A local county or city cannot enforce less than the state code. All amendments must be by ordinance and registered with the state. Only more restrictive codes amendments are allowed with certain conditions. Those would be climatic, seismic and geographic.

So i guess you installed neither!:thumbsup:
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Does your suggested mods applies to remodel as well?
 
Nicksab said:
We don't have any requirement for EV vehicles yet. I am still 2013 CEC which is based on 2011 NEC. So only required to have 1 outlet per garage 18" above AFF. and some other title 24 requirement such as occupancy sensor...
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Nicksab said:
My bad you are right. I was taking information here
https://www.marincounty.org/depts/cd/divisions/building-and-safety/building-requirements

But it looks like they indeed adopted the 2016 CEC incorporating the 2014 NEC but forgot to updated their website.

The project is in California but was permitted over 2 years ago under the 2013 code at the time.

You just got me wondering which year applies now since this project gas been dragging for so long. May have to give the building a call again
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Date of code use is the date of building Dept accepting a complete application. So since prior to 2017 you are on the 2013 NEC. and other Californicated codes.
The 1 inch conduit from box in the garage to the panel still is in play as it was in the code back then.
 
Basically, things can't be more than 6 feet from a receptacle in living spaces. So there has to be a receptacle within 6' of a doorway or similar obstruction, and the receptacles can't be more than 12' away from one another on contiguous walls.

Article 210.52 (A) (1)
 
MAC702 said:
Basically, things can't be more than 6 feet from a receptacle in living spaces. So there has to be a receptacle within 6' of a doorway or similar obstruction, and the receptacles can't be more than 12' away from one another on contiguous walls.

Article 210.52 (A) (1)
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Thank you kindly, sir.
Don't understand why but if those are the rules....
 
Things like lamps can be standardized with cords that will need only to reach a receptacle within 6' from no matter where along the wall you place it, eliminating need for extension cords, in theory. Same as countertop appliances should always be within 2' of a receptacle because there is a 2'/4' rule for the kitchen counter.
 
MAC702 said:
Things like lamps can be standardized with cords that will need only to reach a receptacle within 6' from no matter where along the wall you place it, eliminating need for extension cords, in theory. Same as countertop appliances should always be within 2' of a receptacle because there is a 2'/4' rule for the kitchen counter.
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Interesting. All our wall and ceiling lights are permanently wired with no extension cords. Table lamps probably meet your criteria. Kitchen appliances probably do too.Who wants a kitchen worktop littered with cables. The garage and garden, maybe not so much.
But I'd be interested in how the rules were arrived at.
 
Besoeker said:
Thank you kindly, sir.
Don't understand why but if those are the rules....
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Cords for most lamps, TVs etc are 6' long. So if there's a receptacle every 12', no matter where you put the device there's a receptacle within 6' of it.

Same principle applies to the 2'/4' rule for kitchen c'tops.... cords are 18-24" long, so no matter where you put it, it's within 24" of an outlet.
 
480sparky said:
Cords for most lamps, TVs etc are 6' long. So if there's a receptacle every 12', no matter where you put the device there's a receptacle within 6' of it.
Same principle applies to the 2'/4' rule for kitchen c'tops.... cords are 18-24" long, so no matter where you put it, it's within 24" of an outlet.
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Quite so. But the why remains.
For example, why does our air fryer have to be within 24 inches? Convenient that it is but that that doesn't answer the mandatory why. I'm not questioning the rules. Just asking about the basis for them.
 
Besoeker said:
Quite so. But the why remains.
For example, why does our air fryer have to be within 24 inches? Convenient that it is but that that doesn't answer the mandatory why. I'm not questioning the rules. Just asking about the basis for them.
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Part of the rules are, I think, motivated by a desire to keep kitchen appliance cords short so that they are not hanging off the edge of the counter where kids could grab them and dump boiling stuff on their darling heads.

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GoldDigger said:
Part of the rules are, I think, motivated by a desire to keep kitchen appliance cords short so that they are not hanging off the edge of the counter where kids could grab them and dump boiling stuff on their darling heads.

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Some appliance cords, like to a fry-daddy (countertop deep fryer) have a magnetically held connection that breaks away if one were to grab the cord. Keeps ya from dumping 400* oil all over yourself.
 
Nicksab said:
I just got flagged regarding outlet in a finished garage. The AHJ stated that since it is finished, the 6-12 rule applies but could not gave me any references about it.
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Tell him that you need to see the code article number that he is citing. If he can't give it to you, I would go over his head. If there really is some kind of a local code article on this issue, at least you will know that it is legit. Seeing that it is in California, nothing would surprise me.
 
Besoeker said:
Quite so. But the why remains.
For example, why does our air fryer have to be within 24 inches? Convenient that it is but that that doesn't answer the mandatory why. I'm not questioning the rules. Just asking about the basis for them.
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Why what? What do you mean 'our air fryer have to be within 24 inches"? Within 24 inches of what? The coffee pot? The sink? The fridge? The cat?

The cord shouldn't be more than 24 inches long. That means, if the receps on the c'top were installed correctly, there's at least one receptacle withing 24" of wherever you plop it down on the c'top.

It's mandatory to preclude the use of extension cords.
 
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