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Is the GEC connection in a meter socket considered accessible as required by Article 250? I say yes........my AHJ says no..........
But as far as the Code is concerned, the definition of accessible does not include the POCO's seal or lock. It does not say anything about accessible to who and under what circumstances beyond disassembly of the structure.
Are there similar or different requirements for them? Maybe we can't land any conductors in meter bases.With that said, if the GEC connection is deemed inaccessible in a meter can then what about the ungrounded and grounded conductors terminated in the meter can?
If these other conductor terminations are not required to be accessible why can't all Junction boxes be buried and made inaccessible?Are there similar or different requirements for them?
If any connection inside a meter can is inaccessible they all are, so I would agree with your statement but I would remove "Maybe" and start with "We" as the first word.Maybe we can't land any conductors in meter bases.
It is sad that many POCO's have absolutely no clue isn't it? They are happy to have us bring a HV event inside a building or dwelling simply due to their ignorance and the old "it has always been done this way so it must be right" mind set.Here, it's the POCO that says we can't.
Are there similar or different requirements for them? Maybe we can't land any conductors in meter bases.
Here, it's the POCO that says we can't.
Only (1) of the (3) that I deal with won't allow it.
The other (2) DEMAND it,,,,,,,go figure
I can see the POCO's apprehension with the GEC in the old style meter sockets due to the extremely small wiring compartment but with the newer ones, there is plenty of room and when we get into 2 position and up, the compartments are huge. Getting back to the accessibility issue, I hate to start a war with the AHJ but based on the responses here, I feel comfortable with my opinion.
I can't. The meter bases Dominion gives us even have GEC lugs in them. It's the perfect place to land a GEC; it's already outside, and (usually) just before the conductors enter the structure.Only (1) of the (3) that I deal with won't allow it.
The other (2) DEMAND it,,,,,,,go figure
I can't. The meter bases Dominion gives us even have GEC lugs in them. It's the perfect place to land a GEC; it's already outside, and (usually) just before the conductors enter the structure.
Yea really. What is their issue with the GEC in the meter socket? It's not like the enclosure isn't already bonded to the grounded conductor anyway. Sure would save us a lot of grief and copper to boot.
The point is why is this one termination so sacred that it can't be behind a lock (POCO tag), but the six line terminations can?How many hands would you allow in your 'cash register' ?
How many hands would you allow in your 'cash register' ?
Back in the old days the POCO's allowed the GEC in the socket, they allowed EC's to
break the seal to do 'whatever', the fact that it is no longer allowed, to me anyway, means
someone got killed or injured and sued them, and/or they found seals cut all over the place
and illegal hookups of some kind, either way, the bottom line was money.
How many hands would you allow in your 'cash register' ?