An A for effort and a red tag too or not

[ivsenroute]

Would 110.14(A) be enough to say that this is a non-compliant installation?

Is there a better section to apply IF this is non-compliant?

What about using 310.15 instead?

 

[wireguru]

is that white a #6? It almost looks like it would fit in the hole on the bar.

 

[jaylectricity]

is that white a #6? It almost looks like it would fit in the hole on the bar.

Looks like they ran out of holes. Not sure why you wouldn't land the #6 in a hole and then do something else with a couple of the other smaller grounds...I personally would double up some of them on the terminal.

 

[infinity]

is that white a #6? It almost looks like it would fit in the hole on the bar.

My initial thought too. Look at the bonding jumper above it, looks about the same size as the white conductor.

 

[dana1028]

Just want to verify what I think I see...he used a Kearney to connect a #6 [?] to a solid [#10, 12?] that he doubled over [so two of these wires actually are under the lug].

If so, certainly 408.41 and the Kearney probably is [usually] not listed for 3 conductors.

 

[480sparky]

............If so, certainly 408.41 and the Kearney probably is [usually] not listed for 3 conductors.

But.... there's only two.... the #6 or so stranded, and the #10 solid.

 

[LarryFine]

I believe the installer was too lazy to do it right, and ended up making it harder.

That #6 will fit the bus hole if you round it smoothly and take the screw out of the hole.

 

[480sparky]

I believe the installer was too lazy to do it right, and ended up making it harder.

That #6 will fit the bus hole if you round it smoothly and take the screw out of the hole.

Maybe the installer wants his hackness to be noticed. A cheesy hack would have simply cut some strands off the back side of the conductor and called it a day.

 

[paul]

I would put the white under a lug and then put the split-bolt into van stock. Problem solved.

 

[hardworkingstiff]

Maybe the installer didn't think the screws were rated for stranded wire? :-?

 

[ty]

There simply must be more to the story.

The wire is bent as if it were installed in the bar.

Still, what is the violation?

 

[hardworkingstiff]

There simply must be more to the story.

Yea, it would be interesting to find out.

Still, what is the violation?

I don't think it's a big deal and I can't site a code reference, but in essence the #6(?) is being fed by parallel #10's(?). You can only parallel 1/0 and larger.

 

[ty]

I didn't see it parallelled. just looks like the wore was extended a bit.

 

[ivsenroute]

It is a #6 copper

It is a #10 copper bent in half

It is a split-bolt

It is a main panel, not a sub-feed for a disconnect

It is NM cable

It is a neutral for a 50A circuit

I don't remember what it feeds because I took the picture over a year ago

No thoughts on what this would violate?

 

[iwire]

Still, what is the violation?

For a start,

Parallel neutral conductors smaller than 1/0

3 conductors in the split bolt

 

[davedottcom]

Maybe the installer wants his hackness to be noticed. A cheesy hack would have simply cut some strands off the back side of the conductor and called it a day.

His Hackness! That's a great name for him!

Looks like he also used the wrong hole for the bonding strap. There is one slightly closer to the ground terminals just above the one he used. He probably drilled his own... he didn't like the factory one. I keep checking the picture to see if the strap popped off the screw yet!

 

[ty]

For a start,

Parallel neutral conductors smaller than 1/0

3 conductors in the split bolt

I can't see 3 conductors in the split bolt. I must need new glasses


If the Neutral is #6, then it should easily fit into a lug on the bar.

 

[480sparky]

I can't see 3 conductors in the split bolt. I must need new glasses ...........

One #6 coming in from the left.

Two #10s coming in from the right.

 

[ty]

I guess I see it now.

I don't see why this connection was even needed.
The white wire looks like it is long enough, it looks like it was already bent to go into the ground bar.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

There are technically three wires under the split bolt. I bet it is only rated for 2 wires.

I am with the others. Turn off the circuit- lift the neutral and put it under the lug. I can't believe the neutral won't fit under that lug.