Arc 210.8 arc -old man, food truck

[wyreman]

 

[hbiss]

First thing he said was " don't even ask about the authority to require"

It is fed from a 125a 2p cb.
Has a local sourcep panel w [2] 50a bee sting outlets for them to plug into.
The food truck local source panel was inaccesible
how they parked
so insp wants working clearances

The [2] distrib panels are inside a cabinet.
Insp really didn't like that but... it was made in Tennessee!

Main thing he was shaking his head that it was going to cost the entrepreneur more money he hadn't budgeted.
His authority is basically to shut down without the sticker.

Food trucks should be required to be UL listed imo

And this was the health inspector?

Ahh, OK, now I get it. This is California, right? :dunce:

-Hal

 

[zbang]

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Ah, so it is a CS6364 connector then (or spiderbox/RV connector). Any other names for this beast?

 

[weatherman]

So let's bring the new food truck up to speed.
Manufacturer did not install any GFI or Arc Fault anything.
There are plenty of issues from the factory anyway... panel in a cabinet, obviously.

Seems like health inspector wants GFI on everything and he'll be happy.
...can you spell fridge nuisance trip anyone.

Do I need to install AFCI too

I own a food truck with GFCI protection everywhere, when it rains, unpainted areas (sliding window frame) will bite just enough to get your attention. I have everything grounded back to the panel. how can I get rid of this stray voltage? In my experience the health inspector has no authority with the code but...he can hold the permit!
Weatherman

 

[mivey]

I own a food truck with GFCI protection everywhere, when it rains, unpainted areas (sliding window frame) will bite just enough to get your attention. I have everything grounded back to the panel. how can I get rid of this stray voltage? In my experience the health inspector has no authority with the code but...he can hold the permit!
Weatherman

Find the faulted circuit, trace it to the faulted point, fix the fault. No more bite (except into the food).

 

[kwired]

I own a food truck with GFCI protection everywhere, when it rains, unpainted areas (sliding window frame) will bite just enough to get your attention. I have everything grounded back to the panel. how can I get rid of this stray voltage? In my experience the health inspector has no authority with the code but...he can hold the permit!
Weatherman

Does this happen anyplace you happen to go with it or just when plugged in at a certain facility? Just at a certain facility might mean the problem is not in the truck wiring.

 

[david]

Search Results

Standards for Mobile Food Facilities -

Food Trucks participating in a permitted special event (festival, carnival, street fair, ... compliant with the California Mechanical and Electrical Codes. 4.

 

[kwired]

Search Results

Standards for Mobile Food Facilities -

Food Trucks participating in a permitted special event (festival, carnival, street fair, ... compliant with the California Mechanical and Electrical Codes. 4.

So what does California electrical code have to say? If it just said "compliant with NEC"... NEC doesn't apply to electrical systems in vehicles other then mobile homes and recreational vehicles according to 90.2(B)(1).

 

[david]

it seems to be directing you to sections dealing with carnivals festivals and street fairs, i would say requirements for ground fault protected receptacles
may be enforceable . i do not have access to the nec presently . do not want to miss quote

 

[zbang]

it seems to be directing you to sections dealing with carnivals festivals and street fairs, i would say requirements for ground fault protected receptacles may be enforceable .

Enforcable, maybe, but would apply to the supply receptacles, not necessarily to those in the truck.

In my book, the Code of Z, a truck that contains it's own panel should have GFCIs on it's branch circuits. They cost so little over the cost of outfitting the truck it doesn't make sense to build without.

That and $3 will get you a cup of coffee (in some places).

 

[kwired]

Enforcable, maybe, but would apply to the supply receptacles, not necessarily to those in the truck.

In my book, the Code of Z, a truck that contains it's own panel should have GFCIs on it's branch circuits. They cost so little over the cost of outfitting the truck it doesn't make sense to build without.

That and $3 will get you a cup of coffee (in some places).

2017 NEC will require GFCI for the supply receptacle if it is 50 amp or less single phase (100 amp or less if three phase) and 150 volts or less to ground.

 

[david]

Enforcable, maybe, but would apply to the supply receptacles, not necessarily to those in the truck.

In my book, the Code of Z, a truck that contains it's own panel should have GFCIs on it's branch circuits. They cost so little over the cost of outfitting the truck it doesn't make sense to build without.

That and $3 will get you a cup of coffee (in some places).

525.1 Scope " including wiring in or on all structures"

525.2 portable structures tents, trailers, trucks, and similar units..

525.23 (GFCI) protection.

It seems if they are non locking type the authority may interpret the requirement to apply to straight blade rec for the disassembly of equipment on the truck.

 

[readydave8]

I own a food truck with GFCI protection everywhere, when it rains, unpainted areas (sliding window frame) will bite just enough to get your attention. I have everything grounded back to the panel. how can I get rid of this stray voltage? In my experience the health inspector has no authority with the code but...he can hold the permit!
Weatherman

I ran into a similiar problem this week, in this case it was a ground/neutral isolation or separation problem, hard to find, easy to fix

 

[Danelectron]

210.8(B) applies to other than dwelling units. If this rolling kitchen can't be disqualified due to 90.2, I would say they are required, but the AHJ would make that call. I would ask (challenge) them for an explanation and comply. I would first consult the electrical inspector to fortify (or put to bed) my argument. If I designed this truck I would have just installed the gfci(s).

 

[Dennis Alwon]

210.8(B) applies to other than dwelling units. If this rolling kitchen can't be disqualified due to 90.2, I would say they are required, but the AHJ would make that call. I would ask (challenge) them for an explanation and comply. I would first consult the electrical inspector to fortify (or put to bed) my argument. If I designed this truck I would have just installed the gfci(s).

I agree gfci should be used for safety, however, the authority having jurisdiction has no jurisdiction in this wiring. You can staple nm cable inside the truck if you want. I have wired 3 or 4 trucks and we have always piped it in emt. Looks much better than any other method, IMO.

BTW, welcome to the forum

 

[Danelectron]

I agree gfci should be used for safety, however, the authority having jurisdiction has no jurisdiction in this wiring. You can staple nm cable inside the truck if you want. I have wired 3 or 4 trucks and we have always piped it in emt. Looks much better than any other method, IMO.

BTW, welcome to the forum

Yeah, health inspector. Hmmm. I did a catering truck back in '02 thereabouts and put in gfci's. I didn't even think about it. Ran EMT also. On the NM note, I wired a rail dining car that was parked and converted to a restaurant back in 1989/90. The EC had me do it all in romex. The wiring was all behind stainless panels so not so horrible, but I would have rather at least used MC. I had that conversation with the EC. I wasn't comfortable, but it was a small town with no inspectors and no state inspections at that time. That was the ECs argument and I got paid in the end. Piped everything that was exposed. It was fun to go to the bars in those little towns. Romex everywhere and even 16 ga. fixture wire strung across the ceiling to fans where the brackets were just screwed to the ceiling, but that is another whole thread. I'm fine with inspections. Thanks for the welcome! I ran across this site browsing for educational material. Good site. I'm studying for the Oregon supervisors.

 

[ggunn]

It was fun to go to the bars in those little towns. Romex everywhere and even 16 ga. fixture wire strung across the ceiling to fans where the brackets were just screwed to the ceiling, but that is another whole thread.

I know of community theatre spaces in converted warehouses with rat's nests of orange extension cords up in the rafters powering lighting instruments. I once saw a show about Tesla in one of those spaces where they put spark gaps all over the space that snapped and crackled all during the show; I'm sure the voltage was way over the rating of the wire they used. I survived.