In the 2005 and 08, you'll need AFCI for smokies in the bedrooms...
Not much experience with the '08 myself, but (in the '08) wouldn't the smokes be required to have AFCI protection in all of the following and not limited to bedrooms?
"family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms,
parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation
rooms, closets, hallways, or similar rooms..."
I think you've nailed it, Edward.On a second note, you may ask the AHJ, if you use an existing circuit instead of a dedicated, do you still have to install AFCI protection.
I am providing a price to install smoke detectors in 427 residential housing units. Am I required to provide an arch fault breaker for this circuit? The smokes will be the only item on the circuit.
Not only the rooms mentioned, but the entire branch circuit must be protected. So if you install interconnected units all on one circuit and have just one unit in a room that would force AFCI use - they all end up having protection because of that one unit. Of course these days nearly all the house requires AFCI anyway, but back when it was just bedrooms, the fact you put some of those "outlets" in the bedroom(s) kicked in AFCI protection for the entire circuit.According to 2008 NEC All outlets installed at above mentioned locations must be AFCI protected.
On a second note, you may ask the AHJ, if you use an existing circuit instead of a dedicated, do you still have to install AFCI protection.
CO2 or CO?Not sure what state your in, but in NC, CO2 detectors are required in rental units. Check with the AHJ, as the difference around here is about $35.00 per detector.
I am in heated debate with designer. I have dewelling units where smoke detectors are installed living room, kitchen, bathroom, bedrooms and designer is saying its bad idea to place AFCI on smoke detector 120V branch circuit. I asked AHJ supervisor electrical who is been their for 30 years plan review and he says its bad idea to put AFCI on smoke detector branch circuit dewelling unit 120V but there are no local ordiances for prohibiting it. He pointed to life and safety devices should never be put on sensitive circuit breaker such as AFCI. I am just really confused at this point. Which one is it?
I cannot remember residential style smokes not having batteries. It is a non issue, AFCI, GFCI, or neither.If I’m not mistaken, as of recent all smoke detectors now have battery back-up so if they are placed on a sensitive circuit, or a circuit which is the cause of fire, or during a power failure protection is still active. I have had no issues with smoke detectors on afci breakers.
The others have made good points. If you check with your AHJ, you might ask if the smokes can even be on a dedicated branch circuit.
In my area, we adopt the International Code Council Electrical Code (ICCEC) which are Administrative Provisions. Section 1202.5 states: "Smoke detectors required by the International Building Code and installed within dwelling units shall not be connected as the only load on a branch circuit. Such detectors shall be supplied by branch circuits having lighting loads consisting of lighting outlets in habitable spaces.":roll:
If I’m not mistaken, as of recent all smoke detectors now have battery back-up so if they are placed on a sensitive circuit, or a circuit which is the cause of fire, or during a power failure protection is still active. I have had no issues with smoke detectors on afci breakers.
Well what I have is combination smoke detector and carbon monoxide detector all in one 120V single phase in dewelling living room, bedrooms. Do these have to be on AFCI?
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Well what I have is combination smoke detector and carbon monoxide detector all in one 120V single phase in dwelling living room, bedrooms. Do these have to be on AFCI?