Assign my Electrical License to another company

[cparrott1984]

A large security company called me and they would like to use my electrical license for their company. I am unsure on how much compensation I deserve, risk's, and other things you guys might think of. They want to hold Washington DC, Maryland, and Virginia for their company under my name.

Of course they would pay any fees associated with activating and maintaining my license. All paper work will be handled and all I would do is review it, sign, and send back.

One thing I would have to do is pass an exam for a Washington DC license. Which is no problem. It would just invole studing(because they use year 96 code), applications process(Which is very tedious for this Jurisdiction), and it cost $270.00 to take.

They would also like me to hold a Maryland State Police Security License and same for Virginia. This would mean I would have to go and get a Background check, Drug Test, and Finger Printing. Which none of this is a problem I can pass with flying colors. But it means I would have to drive a 1 1/2 hour drive one day after work or on a week day to do this.

Also in maryland you have to reciprocate and buy all the counties they would use which is like 10 counties.

They said they usually do about 30-35 applications per month for all jurisdictions.


I'm not sure if any of you have done this before but I would like some help and ideas for compensation, risk's, and other things you guys may think of I would appreciate everyone opinion!

I am not new to these forms I usually just read and sometimes answer questions on my other name "cparrott" which I cannot remember my password for since I just read most of the time.

It would mean alot to me if I could get some support and reliable answers.

Thanks!

 

[Mule]

I dont have any experience with your state or its licensing laws. But for our state, I have two friends that have used their license soley for a unlicensed contractors benefeit for under $500/mo plus his wages as and onsite electrician. You loose alot of power and decision making in that arrangement, as well as taking on a lot of corporate liability that can eat your lunch as a small company.

In one case my freind lost his state license due to continued abuse to aprentice/Journeyman ratios, which were out of his control. He finally got his license back after a number of years, but it cost him alot...

 

[cparrott1984]

Reply to mule

Reply to mule

So what you are saying is I am taking a big liability. Maybe if I write it in the contract for the purpose if I were to lose my electrical license because of their negligence I would be taken care of in some way? If I can't do this then I should charge a large reasonable amount for my risk?

 

[petersonra]

One would think that these contractors could just go get a LV license themselves.

 

[charlie b]

I'm not voting in your poll, because it doesn't have a "None of the Above" option. Regardless of whether this practice is legal in your state(s) and for you type(s) of licenses, I consider it to be a breech of professional ethics. My suggestion is that if they want your license, you should require them to hire you full time.

 

[cparrott1984]

It's cheaper?

It's cheaper?

It is cheaper to do this than hire someone. They are a security company so they only do fire alarms and security systems and most of those guys don't have license and in the state of Maryland you have to have proven you had worked under a license contractor for 7 years.

 

[cparrott1984]

Professional Ethics?

Professional Ethics?

What if I monitor their work? They will be hiring me but on a part time bases... What is so bad about what I am doing?

Engineer's do this sort of thing all the time...

 

[jimmyglen]

I am not the best guy to answer this because I dont know that area

however on your poll you have so much per permit etc

and I know enough to know that you never want to do that

you really need to check into what your responsibilty level is (get that info from the AHJ)

 

[cparrott1984]

Why not? My license would be assigned to the company and my name

 

[growler]

What if I monitor their work? They will be hiring me but on a part time bases... What is so bad about what I am doing?

You would have to check the local laws to see if what you are doing is legal. If it is then go for it, it your responsibility and your decision.

But, and this is a big but, don't try to blame the company for negligence, you are the license holder and it's up to you to figure out what's legal and correct and what's not. You can delegate authority but not responsibility.

 

[charlie b]

They will be hiring me but on a part time bases.

But your responsibility will be there full time. Anything that happens during the part of the time that you are not there will still be your fault.

What is so bad about what I am doing?

That is a matter of local law. It is only my opinion, in case I hadn’t made that clear, that selling or renting a license is a violation of professional ethics. The possession of the license is a reflection of the person, and is a testimonial to that person’s proven knowledge and abilities. It is those characteristics, the knowledge and the abilities, that are being called upon, when a permit is requested and granted. You are talking about letting the license become a commodity, as opposed to its being the means by which a skilled person is given responsibility for the installation.

Engineer's do this sort of thing all the time.

Show me an engineer who seals a document without having personally performed or at least supervised the creation of that document, and I will turn that engineer in to the local licensing board, and that person will lose the license.

 

[cparrott1984]

You would have to check the local laws to see if what you are doing is legal. If it is then go for it, it your responsibility and your decision.

But, and this is a big but, don't try to blame the company for negligence, you are the license holder and it's up to you to figure out what's legal and correct and what's not. You can delegate authority but not responsibility.

Well said and thank you

 

[cparrott1984]

But your responsibility will be there full time. Anything that happens during the part of the time that you are not there will still be your fault.

That is a matter of local law. It is only my opinion, in case I hadn?t made that clear, that selling or renting a license is a violation of professional ethics. The possession of the license is a reflection of the person, and is a testimonial to that person?s proven knowledge and abilities. It is those characteristics, the knowledge and the abilities, that are being called upon, when a permit is requested and granted. You are talking about letting the license become a commodity, as opposed to its being the means by which a skilled person is given responsibility for the installation.

Yeah, I agree with you and understand what you are saying. Thanks.


Show me an engineer who seals a document without having personally performed or at least supervised the creation of that document, and I will turn that engineer in to the local licensing board, and that person will lose the license.

Yeah, I think I leave those engineer's I know out of it.

 

[cparrott1984]

Yeah, I think I leave those engineer's I know out of it.

Yeah, I agree with you and understand what you are saying Charlie. Thanks.

 

[Mr. Wizard]

I'm not voting in your poll, because it doesn't have a "None of the Above" option. Regardless of whether this practice is legal in your state(s) and for you type(s) of licenses, I consider it to be a breech of professional ethics. My suggestion is that if they want your license, you should require them to hire you full time.[/SIZE]

I couldn't agree more, with good pay and benefits

 

[petersonra]

What if I monitor their work? They will be hiring me but on a part time bases... What is so bad about what I am doing?

I think some arrangement might be made that would probably satisfy the laws of the localities involved without you becoming a full time employee. But maybe not.

I would not be allowing them to just use your license without some level of supervisory input on your part as to what is going on.

 

[satcom]

I couldn't agree more, with good pay and benefits

The only option should be NO can you imagine some doctor operating on you, because he loaned a license, it happens, there will always bew someone trying to work the system and laws the way they see it, but they are not the professionals, in my opinion, they are the ones looking for an easy ride.

 

[petersonra]

The only option should be NO can you imagine some doctor operating on you, because he loaned a license, it happens, there will always bew someone trying to work the system and laws the way they see it, but they are not the professionals, in my opinion, they are the ones looking for an easy ride.

how do you figure that doing something that is legal and helps all the parties directly involved is a bad thing?

there is a huge difference between satisfying a government edict by offering a level of supervision to already trained, competent, and experienced people; and enabling incompetent and dangerous work to be performed. Nothing in his post indicated the OP thought the work being done by these people already was somehow deficient, or that he would encourage deficient work.

 

[Mr. Wizard]

The only option should be NO can you imagine some doctor operating on you, because he loaned a license, it happens, there will always bew someone trying to work the system and laws the way they see it, but they are not the professionals, in my opinion, they are the ones looking for an easy ride.

That's why cparrott1974 shouldn't loan his license out. Instead, as charlieb mentioned, they should offer cparrott1984 a position. That way he isn't responsible for the fubars that they may have. He should be offered a good salary, with benefits, IMO, to come into employment with them. He has something they want, and they should pay for it.

 

[Mule]

I dont want to throw water in your face because work is tight for some, and you may be inclined to do this, and perhaps nothing would ever happen, but I would not. In Oklahoma in order to carry a license for another company you have to be listed as a "officer in that company" which would make you equally liable in any law suite that the company would be involved in.

I would talk to a attorney that is familular with your states statutes before I would do anything....