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Inspectorcliff said:
According to what I read in the 2005 N.E.C. Article 410.4 is if you maintain the distance 3ft horizontally and 8ft above the top of the tub rim Yes, you can install a sconce on the wall.
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Actually 410.4(D) is only dealing with cord-connected luminaire, chain-, cable, or cord suspended-luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling suspended paddle fans. If you have a surface mounted wall sconce that is rated for the location it could go anywhere in the tub area. Take a look at 410.4(A)

Chris
 
Cliff--I don't see that. Where are you getting that from. 410.4 (D) makes no mention of wall sconce but it does mention pendants etc.

I believe you can mount the light over the tub on the wall.
 
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raider1 said:
Actually 410.4(D) is only dealing with cord-connected luminaire, chain-, cable, or cord suspended-luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling suspended paddle fans. If you have a surface mounted wall sconce that is rated for the location it could go anywhere in the tub area. Take a look at 410.4(A)

Chris
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Chris, you are absolutely correct, Thanks.:smile:
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Cliff--I don't see that. Where are you getting that from. 410.4 (D) makes no mention of wall sconce but it does mention pendants etc.

I believe you can mount the light over the tub on the wall.
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I am humbled, you are both correct.:grin:
 
Inspectorcliff said:
According to what I read in the 2005 N.E.C. Article 410.4 is if you maintain the distance 3ft horizontally and 8ft above the top of the tub rim Yes, you can install a sconce on the wall.
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A wall sconce is permitted within the tub zone just like a recessed light fixture is. It will have to be damp or wet rated based on the location.
 
raider1 said:
If you have a surface mounted wall sconce that is rated for the location it could go anywhere in the tub area.
Chris
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Thanks for the support-- BTW-- I am not sure that the fixture over a tub would even be considered damp location. If it were than the entire bathroom would be considered damp location.

IMO-- an open sconce is permitted (although I don't like it) over the tub also.

Cliff- we are all humbled all the time around here.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Thanks for the support-- BTW-- I am not sure that the fixture over a tub would even be considered damp location. If it were than the entire bathroom would be considered damp location.

IMO-- an open sconce is permitted (although I don't like it) over the tub also.

Cliff- we are all humbled all the time around here.
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You are welcome.

I agree that a recessed can over a tub would probably not be considered a damp location.

Chris
 
stickboy1375 said:
Dennis, is an open sconce any different than a flood holder stuck in the ground lighting a sign?
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The difference is that the floodlight fixture is wet location. I am saying this sconce does not need to be damp or wet location rated. Open wall sconce 4' over the tub-- no problem.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
The difference is that the floodlight fixture is wet location. I am saying this sconce does not need to be damp or wet location rated. Open wall sconce 4' over the tub-- no problem.
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Any fixture within 3' and in the tub zone needs to be damp rated.
 
infinity said:
Any fixture within 3' and in the tub zone needs to be damp rated.
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You are correct.

This is going to change in the 2008 NEC, too luminaires in the actual outside tub or shower dimensions to a height of 8 feet will need to be damp rated or wet rated if subject to shower spray.

Chris
 
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Dennis Alwon said:
Cliff--I don't see that. Where are you getting that from. 410.4 (D) makes no mention of wall sconce but it does mention pendants etc.

I believe you can mount the light over the tub on the wall.
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What is the difference between an open wall sconce or an open cieling fixture if they both fall within the "zone " refernced above?
Does every possibility have to be listed for us to follow it as part of the requirement or restriction of a section?
I was told as an electrician that we were the cream of the crop.
As an inspector I still believe that [in most cases].
It seems the intent here is clear and semantics will not change that.
 
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