Bathroom Receptacle Location

[Dennis Alwon]

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[Little Bill]

That makes no sense. You can have a receptacle right next to a sink, where it will be used, but can't have it within 3' of a tub, where it would seldom be used.

 

[kwired]

This just encourages use of extension cords for items used in the tub or shower

 

[MAC702]

So back to the picture that shows both walls too close to the tub. What if the light switch wall was outside the 3' zone, but the sink walls were still inside? Does this mean the receptacle must be on the light switch wall to be outside the tub's exclusion zone, or still at the sink to be inside its inclusion zone?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

The receptacle can be on the far side of the sink even if it is closer than 3'-- thus the exception. Remember the receptacle must be within 3' of the sink also.


Can someone find the substantiation for this-- the link. I can't seem to find it at nfpa site

 

[MAC702]

The receptacle can be on the far side of the sink even if it is closer than 3'-- thus the exception. Remember the receptacle must be within 3' of the sink also....

The exception says "Exception: In bathrooms with less than the required zone the receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be installed opposite the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold on the farthest wall within the room."

 

[Dennis Alwon]

The exception says "Exception: In bathrooms with less than the required zone the receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be installed opposite the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold on the farthest wall within the room."

Yes, and how does that change what I said?

 

[infinity]

Another dumb code change. :rant:

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I think the reason was to keep in line with 410.10(D) for pendants. But they don't have gfci protection....oh well

 

[Hv&Lv]

The receptacle can be on the far side of the sink even if it is closer than 3'-- thus the exception. Remember the receptacle must be within 3' of the sink also.


Can someone find the substantiation for this-- the link. I can't seem to find it at nfpa site

https://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/70_A2019_NEC_P18_PCResponses.pdf

 

[Dennis Alwon]

https://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/AboutTheCodes/70/70_A2019_NEC_P18_PCResponses.pdf

Thanks, I found that but that info is after the original submissions. I think I found hat I wanted

https://submittalsarchive.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ViewerPage.jsp?id=70-2017.ditamap&pubStatus=FDR

 

[infinity]

So what was the justification?

 

[Little Bill]

So what was the justification?

I went to the link and it took me to NFPA site and asked me to sign in. I won't do it! I just have got all the emails and snail mail stopped from them.
So I'm going to hope someone posts the explanation.

 

[480sparky]

..... I just have got all the .... snail mail stopped from them.......

You do know NFPA stands for National Forest Prevention Association, didn't you?

 

[Little Bill]

They do away with enough trees to qualify for sure.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

The only justification I saw was that art 410.10(D), which is for pendant lights, uses the same 3' rule around the shower/tub so someone thought that they would help clarify the original section.

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

So now we have be concerned that we placed the receptacle as far away as possible from the tub as deemed by the AHJ?

 

[kwired]

So now we have be concerned that we placed the receptacle as far away as possible from the tub as deemed by the AHJ?

Only when it can't be placed outside the zone mentioned.and at same time still place one within required distance from the basin.

 

[GeorgeB]

You do know NFPA stands for National Forest Prevention Association, didn't you?

National Fluid Power Association

 

[Knuckle Dragger]

Only when it can't be placed outside the zone mentioned.and at same time still place one within required distance from the basin.

Yup.