Bathroom receptacles (again)

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Have a quick question. I am sure that there was a section in the 1999 NEC that allowed "other bathrooms" to have a 15 Amp circuit. Has it been changed? where is it? do homes with sixteen bathrooms really all have to be on 20A circuits now?

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You could put all 16 bathroom receptacles on one 20 Amp. circuit or you can run a separate circuit to each bathroom and put the lights, fan and receptacles for that bathroom all on the same circuit. Only the receptacle is required to be on a 20 Amp. circuit.
 
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growler said:
You could put all 16 bathroom receptacles on one 20 Amp. circuit or you can run a separate circuit to each bathroom and put the lights, fan and receptacles for that bathroom all on the same circuit. Only the receptacle is required to be on a 20 Amp. circuit.
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yes I understand that my question goes to the receptacles alone do they all have to be rated on 20 Amp wether all on the same or different circuits?
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bikeindy said:
yes I understand that my question goes to the receptacles alone do they all have to be rated on 20 Amp wether all on the same or different circuits?
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Where a single receptacle is connected to a 20 amp branch circuit that serves no other loads or receptacles, the amp rating of the receptacle must be equal to the amp rating of the circuit.
210.21(B)(1)

15amp receptacles are permitted on 20a "multioutlet" branch circuits by 210.21(B)(3)
 
77401 said:
Where a single receptacle is connected to a 20 amp branch circuit that serves no other loads or receptacles, the amp rating of the receptacle must be equal to the amp rating of the circuit.
210.21(B)(1)

15amp receptacles are permitted on 20a "multioutlet" branch circuits by 210.21(B)(3)
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A duplex is two receptacles.
 
I am not being clear evidentally. I am not talking about the device that will be installed I know you can install 15 amp devices on a 20 amp circuit. what my question is, is do all the circuits that supply bathroom receptacles need to be rated 20 amp and therefore run 12-2 romex. and I am speaking of a single family dwelling. the reason I ask is because I know that in the past it was alowed to run 15 amp circuits to bathrooms that were not "the bathroom" I remember reading about "other bathrooms" I think it was in the 1999 NEC. the reason for my question is that we wire many basements after the builder is gone and there are bathrooms that need to be added. with the original EC placing the Panel on an exterior wall of the garage 25' or more from the basement wall running so many home runs is a PITA exspecially for a dinky little bathroom where the receptacle will likely never be used. why do I have to have a 20 AMP circuit for this Bathroom?
 
bikeindy said:
what my question is, is do all the circuits that supply bathroom receptacles need to be rated 20 amp and therefore run 12-2 romex.
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With out a doubt...YES!

then your choice is
1) only bathroom receptacles on this circuit.(all other bathroom receptacles included)
2) you may also control the individual bathroom lighting also, but the circuit cannot leave this bathroom.
 
bikeindy said:
Have a quick question. I am sure that there was a section in the 1999 NEC that allowed "other bathrooms" to have a 15 Amp circuit. Has it been changed? where is it? do homes with sixteen bathrooms really all have to be on 20A circuits now?

Thanks
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The requirement for 20 ampere receptacle circuits in bathrooms first appeared in the 1996 NEC. I can not find any distinction between a main bathroom and other bathrooms.
 
I have been doing just as we speak. But the strange part about this is I am in homes that have been built with in the last 5 years all the time and find Bathrooms with the receptacles on 15 Amp circuits run with 14-2 wire. And I have to get my 1999 code book back from one of my guys because I know I read it in that edition that this was allowed. I just was hoping someone else remembered it and was wondering why it changed. I can't for any reason see why in a basement bathroom you would need a 20 Amp receptacle circuit just to drop some friends off at the pool.

Thanks for the input.
 
You can not legally add a receptacle in a bathroom to meet the required one near the basin on anything accept the 20 amp bathroom receptacle circuit or a dedicated 20 circuit for this new bath.210.11c and dont forget the gfci
 
the point ... what is it ...

the point ... what is it ...

my point is ... what is your point ... obviously the bathrooms you've seen in the last 5 years were done "WRONG" ... how many of these did you do ... would also like to know , what are these ""OTHER BATHROOMS" you keep refering to ... when you find a 99 code book and quote 'whatever' article you 'think you read,' then I will humbly apologize but until then ... a bathroom is a bathroom is a bathroom is a ....

I asked this once before ... did you take your Contractor test the same day you got your Journeymans ticket ... you don't seem to have a whole lot of experience at this ... BTW ... do you have "Streamers" on your Bike ... Mines an "FXDS" ...


for ..."Striving to be the best Electrical contractor in Indianapolis." ... you sure make me not want to live there ... M
 
mario said:
my point is ... what is your point ... obviously the bathrooms you've seen in the last 5 years were done "WRONG" ... how many of these did you do ... would also like to know , what are these ""OTHER BATHROOMS" you keep refering to ... when you find a 99 code book and quote 'whatever' article you 'think you read,' then I will humbly apologize but until then ... a bathroom is a bathroom is a bathroom is a ....

I asked this once before ... did you take your Contractor test the same day you got your Journeymans ticket ... you don't seem to have a whole lot of experience at this ... BTW ... do you have "Streamers" on your Bike ... Mines an "FXDS" ...


for ..."Striving to be the best Electrical contractor in Indianapolis." ... you sure make me not want to live there ... M
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The problem lies with where you wish to be an EC.Some places only require an occupational license and you are in buisness.Also have ran into many even here in FL that took the test many many years ago and have not kept up with changes from cycle to cycle.I suggest he reads all of 210 for a start.
 
you're up late/early ...

you're up late/early ...

Yo Jim ... you must be up awfully late or one heck of an early riser ...

Thanks for that input buddy ... I've always appreciated it ... even though I have 30 years doing this, I at least admit that I can still have a bit I can learn ... in the priors case, I feel that I've "Forgotten More Than He's Learned" ... oooppps ... did I say that ... I guess its time for another beer and maybe a short ride on "Da Bike" ... it'll be dark here (AK) soon ... 11:30pm ... have a great day ... M

ps ... waiting for a reply from bikeindy ... m
 
bikeindy said:
I have been doing just as we speak. But the strange part about this is I am in homes that have been built with in the last 5 years all the time and find Bathrooms with the receptacles on 15 Amp circuits run with 14-2 wire. And I have to get my 1999 code book back from one of my guys because I know I read it in that edition that this was allowed. I just was hoping someone else remembered it and was wondering why it changed. I can't for any reason see why in a basement bathroom you would need a 20 Amp receptacle circuit just to drop some friends off at the pool.

Thanks for the input.
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See if you can find it in the 1999 NEC. I have the book in front of me and I can't seem to find it. I would be interested to know if it's in there.
 
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