Bent Bedroom plug solution

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Next year (business getting better every year) I am joining as a voice to the NFPA, BISCI and NICET level 3 So I can put my voice in several areas of safety ideas.
 
This is one of my pet peeves. Why would you locate a recep behind a bed? Receps by the bed are always in use so why make them inaccessible and dangerous?



You got a crystal ball that tells you where furniture is going to be pressed against a wall? Try using clock-hanger receps.
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In bedrooms, it aint rocket science. I put them in a logical place beside the bed. 95% of the time there are only 2 possibilities for bed location. It may require an extra recep but in new construction it's not much of an issue.

I wired some condos years ago and the person in charge of these things made me move the receps behind the beds. She didn't want to see them (sound familiar?). I argued my point for a couple of minutes until I realized I was getting nowhere.
 
220/221 said:
I argued my point for a couple of minutes until I realized I was getting nowhere.
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Yes My point exactly why a good solid 2 line code change would help us with a little profit and really help the end consumer types.

I would rather install 2 receptacles instead of come to court and explain why the one I was ordered to put in the center of the rooms walls helped lead to a fire that killed a family.
 
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In bedrooms, it aint rocket science. I put them in a logical place beside the bed. 95% of the time there are only 2 possibilities for bed location.
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I disagree. I often see beds not placed in the center of the wall, but put into the corner, with one side right against the wall - especially in kid's rooms, and bunk beds.

I don't think we can foresee where each and every future HO will place the bed, or other furniture, in a room.
 
kid_stevens said:
Yes My point exactly why a good solid 2 line code change would help us with a little profit and really help the end consumer types.

I would rather install 2 receptacles instead of come to court and explain why the one I was ordered to put in the center of the rooms walls helped lead to a fire that killed a family.
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How are you held responsible for the placement of a receptacle that the HO plugged a cord into and damaged the cord by cramming their furniture against? There is absolutely NO WAY you are going to be able to predict what every person who lives in that house over the next 100 years is going to do with their furniture. As soon as your lawyer found you had wired it to Code, it should never go beyond discovery.

If you were told to install a floor recept, and someone tripped over a cord plugged into it, are you responsible? You are required to install an exterior recept.... suppose someone plugged in a long cord, draped it across the front steps, and some poor Granny fell and broke her hip?

Your responsibility ends at the recep. What a person does with it beyond that is not up to you and you can't be held responsible.

If you feel so strongly for it, by all means, put in a proposal.

Oh, wait...... tonight was the deadline.....:(
 
I've had prints that have had certain furniture items drawn on the print. What that information, I try to make the receptacle layout "nice". Lacking that, I go to no special effort.
 
Oh boy here we go again....Common sense is hard to come by for some people. Just like tamper proof outlets we need to dumb down every facet of our lives. Just like how coffee cup manufacureres need to write "HOT LIQUID IN HERE"
What ever happened to common sense. Resseced outlets stink you cant plug many things into them.
 
kid_stevens said:
Yes My point exactly why a good solid 2 line code change would help us with a little profit and really help the end consumer types.

I would rather install 2 receptacles instead of come to court and explain why the one I was ordered to put in the center of the rooms walls helped lead to a fire that killed a family.
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So they added the AFCI requirement for fun? Why not propose the inspector not give a CO until all the furniture is in place? Most people will scream at the price charged for having code compliant, safe electrical work installed. But they will not blink at having a $15,000.00 tile shower installed or $30,000.00 for press board cabinets, why, because they cannot show it off. They are not going to take there friends and family around saying " aren't these recessed receptacles just lovely". No they are going to shove stuff in front of them to hide them.
 
I have yet to see a fire caused by an Arc. House fires I investigated years ago in Denver CO over a 2 year period.

Number 1, 11 cases cat knocked over the electric can opener trying to lick the goodies off the blade pushes the opener over and against the wall causing the motor to run until it fried. We found the can openers in that position.

Number 2, 7 cases Overloaded circuits causing wiring insulation in the walls to melt down and short out. No breaker trip.

Number 2a 5 cases Overloaded Xmas trees. Need I say more.

Number 3 3 cases Aluminum wire failing.

Bedroom fires number 1 cause cigarettes.

Never in my 55 years have I seen an Arc in a house start a fire. The only things I have ever seen arc in a house is a bad switch when you switch it or a plug being pulled or inserted while the device/appliance/light was drawing current.

So to this day Yes I believe they added AFCIs for fun and large profits.

I do install them but I don't have to like the added price to load center installs when the cheap electrician bid after me and did not install them.

I did digress a little from my own subject. But I got it out on my position on the AFCIs.
 
why do people never want to accept responsibility for their own actions? If their is an outlet on the wall maybe you shouldnt jam the dresser against it? Does that really require much thought? If someone is stupid enough to damage their cords then its on them. Why are we idiot proffing everything in our lives? Whats next? My light fixture caught fire cause I put a bigger bulb in it and left it on for a week? but I didnt know I couldnt/shouldnt do that.
People put bigger bulbs in their fixtures all the time how can we devise a way to idiot proof that?? RUBISH.
Electric heaters are far more dangerous than an outlet against the wall?/
CANDLELS and cigarettes are probably a bigger reason for causing fires in a bedroom but I see them everywhere and they almost never come with a disclaimer saying "hey stupid dont leave this candel lit next to a greasy pile of newspapers"
 
tonyou812 said:
My light fixture caught fire cause I put a bigger bulb in it and left it on for a week? but I didnt know I couldnt/shouldnt do that.
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Friends don't let friends use incandescant lamps. I would never ever let anybody ask me to install an incandescent lamp without an argument. Incandescent lamps are an abomination to the human race. Compact fluorescent lamps are a stopgap measure. They are seen as so progressive -- they are totally inferior to tubular flourescent lamps available in 1940. The Edison base has got to go. One of the biggest obstacles to electrical energy efficiency is the lack of an alternative to the Edison base.

Light emitting diodes are the real future of lighting because they elimate the last argument for incandescent lamps (dimming.) The current generation of LED lighting is poorly engineered, mainly in the power supply.

We all need to help make LED's a normal part of life.
 
kid_stevens said:
Price is holding LEDs back.
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Light quality is holding LEDs back - not just price IMO. Public perception about certain types of lighting in the "green" sectors propaganda, lasts about as long as it takes to turn it on. Speaking from experience - people love the idea and people willing to pay for it now are finding that it is not your fathers Oldsmobile, more of a Hugo with a nice coat of wax. e.g. they get the lighting - turn it on, and see the harsh green, yellow or blue color of LED style "white" - then go turn on something else before they get sick. And you'll pay a pretty penny for anything close.

Maybe it is the thousands of years of candle-light, fire, and much much later - the incandescent bulb that has our minds wired for the soothing red/orange glow - but IMO 9 of 10 if confronted with choosing a light color without knowing what moniker it wears would reach for the 100w A-19. Something LEDs do not come close to without digging really deep, and CFLs are only now getting close by doping the lamps with toxic waste. (On top of the mercury catalyst.)

As for the OP - I would worry less about the litigious nature of America - being sued for having an outlet behind the bed - depending on the circumstance - it may be the safest place for one - in terms of getting sued - being harder to reach and use. As you stand a better chance of getting sued for injuries for the ones in the kitchen and bath that you're required to put near sinks, at which point you point the finger upwards to the AHJ that accepted the NEC. Who wrote at least one of those codes to keep big haired women who needed a 2kw hair dryer for the sake of fashion - happy.
 
JohnJ0906 said:
I disagree. I often see beds not placed in the center of the wall, but put into the corner, with one side right against the wall - especially in kid's rooms, and bunk beds.

I don't think we can foresee where each and every future HO will place the bed, or other furniture, in a room.
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Exactly. John even though you're a Ravens fan I still agree with you. :) Only in most Master Bedrooms can you really have a good idea of where the bed might be placed. I know from experience that you can't count on 1 or 2 places for the bed. My wife moves the furniture around roughly every 3 months. Very annoying.
 
tonyou812 said:
Oh boy here we go again....Common sense is hard to come by for some people. Just like tamper proof outlets we need to dumb down every facet of our lives. Just like how coffee cup manufacureres need to write "HOT LIQUID IN HERE"
What ever happened to common sense. Resseced outlets stink you cant plug many things into them.
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Well said Tony. I totally agree.
 
kid_stevens said:
Yes My point exactly why a good solid 2 line code change would help us with a little profit and really help the end consumer types.

I would rather install 2 receptacles instead of come to court and explain why the one I was ordered to put in the center of the rooms walls helped lead to a fire that killed a family.
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Why do you feel like you need to save the world? Would you lose sleep if you knew you installed an outlet behind someone's bed?
 
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