Bent Bedroom plug solution

[steelersman]

McDonalds paid millions for an idiot that burned his mouth on hot coffee. It happens.

If you're talking about the most famous case then it would be her lap region and everything in between that was burned: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

 

[JohnJ0906]

My wife moves the furniture around roughly every 3 months. Very annoying.

 

[e57]

My wife moves the furniture around roughly every 3 months. Very annoying.

Yours too???? Mine will also paint a room or at least start to, if I leave her by herself for more than an hour.

 

[ceb58]

I have yet to see a fire caused by an Arc. House fires I investigated years ago in Denver CO over a 2 year period.

Number 1, 11 cases cat knocked over the electric can opener trying to lick the goodies off the blade pushes the opener over and against the wall causing the motor to run until it fried. We found the can openers in that position.

Number 2, 7 cases Overloaded circuits causing wiring insulation in the walls to melt down and short out. No breaker trip.

Number 2a 5 cases Overloaded Xmas trees. Need I say more.

Number 3 3 cases Aluminum wire failing.

Bedroom fires number 1 cause cigarettes.

Never in my 55 years have I seen an Arc in a house start a fire. The only things I have ever seen arc in a house is a bad switch when you switch it or a plug being pulled or inserted while the device/appliance/light was drawing current.

So to this day Yes I believe they added AFCIs for fun and large profits.

I do install them but I don't have to like the added price to load center installs when the cheap electrician bid after me and did not install them.

I did digress a little from my own subject. But I got it out on my position on the AFCIs.

From your original post and this one you your self have proven what others are saying. You cannot control what people do. People chose to have cats in there home that jump every where, people over load Christmas trees and people smoke in bed. You may have never seen an arc start a fire but I have, and if it were to have been on an arc fault it would have tripped and not caused the damage. Your ideas for safety are commendable and there are still things that need more attention but the requirement for the recessed recpt. is just one that in my opinion would lead to more of a safety hazard. They would now be plugging power strips and such in because of the "hassle" of dealing with a recessed recp.
And I will agree that the manufactures pushed the afci issue for there on profits but I have seen them do there job. You say that you install them, you dont like them because of the added cost, but you install them anyway. Why? Because it is requried of us that follow the code. If you think your getting beat out by some one bidding to not install the afci's what will happen if your idea did become code? You would still get beat out.

 

[LarryFine]

I do install them but I don't have to like the added price to load center installs when the cheap electrician bid after me and did not install them.

How did it pass inspection without the AFCI's?

 

[electricmanscott]

The recent discussions about cords being bent behind beds brings this up. Why not a simple little rule and the receptacle Mfgs help in making duplex recessed receptacles required. Like the old kitchen Cat tail sweeping, eyes rolling clock got plugged into.

Is this a dangerous problem?

I have yet to see a fire caused by an Arc. House fires I investigated years ago in Denver CO over a 2 year period.

Never in my 55 years have I seen an Arc in a house start a fire. The only things I have ever seen arc in a house is a bad switch when you switch it or a plug being pulled or inserted while the device/appliance/light was drawing current.

So why do we need to mandate a potential expensive code rule to solve a non-existent problem?

Yes My point exactly why a good solid 2 line code change would help us with a little profit and really help the end consumer types.

I would rather install 2 receptacles instead of come to court and explain why the one I was ordered to put in the center of the rooms walls helped lead to a fire that killed a family.

But this would cost more money are you ok with adding code change just to pad your profits?

So to this day Yes I believe they added AFCIs for fun and large profits.

I do install them but I don't have to like the added price to load center installs when the cheap electrician bid after me and did not install them

So you don?t like code rules that put a higher cost burden on the consumer?

 

[GeorgeB]

This is one of my pet peeves. Why would you locate a recep behind a bed? Receps by the bed are always in use so why make them inaccessible and dangerous?

In bedrooms, it aint rocket science. I put them in a logical place beside the bed. 95% of the time there are only 2 possibilities for bed location. It may require an extra recep but in new construction it's not much of an issue.

But is the room going to have a single bed (double/queen/king) where 7ft between receptacles is realistic, or 2 twin beds where that will likely center them behind the beds <g>.

NOTE: I AM NOT AN ELECTRICIAN, rather an industrial electrical engineer who often installs, commissions, and troubleshoots systems ... what is the problem, except perhaps ADA, with putting bedroom receptacles very close to the floor so the bed will be above them?

In MY house, where the receptacles are blocked by the bed (2 of 4 bedrooms), I put 2 "relocatable power taps" with the "flat" plugs in before positioning the bed, one to each side. Perfect, no; very good, yes.

 

[quogueelectric]

We should propose stainless steel reinforced bubble covers in the bedrooms from now on.