Body Protection

[zog]

Please, elaborate.

Cant you just read the NFPA 70E? I suppose I can go look up the article for you and all of the OSHA laws about employers paying for PPE but dont expect it too soon, I have some real work to do first.

 

[zog]

NFPA 70E-33 ARTICLE 130 - WORKING ON OR NEAR LIVE PARTS
The approach boundries are based on voltages not current.
Unlike the NEC, the NESC contains work rules in addition to installation requirements. Sixty percent of electrocutions occurred to workers less than 35 years of age, Experience and Trainning!

I base my minimum safety apparel on comfort with the system involved. Good or Poor design, Work being preformed, Age and Arc-Flash Potential. Minimum of Safety Glasses and FR 7 clothing at 480v to 50Cal for our Switch gear @ 13.5Kv with 75kAic 6 cycle clearing time.

This is all jibberish, people are trying to learn something here, can we please remove this as to not confuse others tyring to learn something.

 

[Fulthrotl]

I have worn my hot work gear once and will not wear it again. IMO the little amount of protection it provides is completely negated by the extra hazard it causes through loss of finger dexterity and decreased vision caused by the tinted face shield.

I'm sure I will get "flamed" for this post and that's fine, if others feel they need to wear the gear, that's fine, but as Austin Powers would say "it's just not my bag, baby!"

there is flamed, and then there is flamed.... see below.... they don't say
what the particulars are on this gear, but check it out.

http://www.easypower.com/arc_flash/videos/Arc_Flash_racking_breaker.wmv

and i'm not flaming you, EBFD6... just click on the link for giggles.


randy

 

[George Stolz]

Cant you just read the NFPA 70E? I suppose I can go look up the article for you and all of the OSHA laws about employers paying for PPE but dont expect it too soon, I have some real work to do first.

I'm not picking on you. I'm just saying I pay for my own company t-shirts, if I want them (not required.) I'd like to see some real teeth behind the statement that the employer must provide me with a closet full of FR clothing, that's all.

 

[zog]

I'm not picking on you. I'm just saying I pay for my own company t-shirts, if I want them (not required.) I'd like to see some real teeth behind the statement that the employer must provide me with a closet full of FR clothing, that's all.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=NEWS_RELEASES&p_id=14739

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=FEDERAL_REGISTER&p_id=20094

 

[tonyou812]

What is the osha rule about working live? say a 277 lighting circut in a office building or doctors office? Or what about working in a chemical factory that is in production 24/7? Or even changing out an oultlet on a MWBC in an office? Are you really mandated to turn off the power? Im not arguing any side to it Im just curious.

 

[zog]

What is the osha rule about working live? say a 277 lighting circut in a office building or doctors office? Or what about working in a chemical factory that is in production 24/7? Or even changing out an oultlet on a MWBC in an office? Are you really mandated to turn off the power? Im not arguing any side to it Im just curious.

Read the Safety FAQ's in this section.

 

[tonyou812]

Well I must say I do agree with a great many things in there. I printed it out so I can read it in detail later on. I agree with just cause you are a Journey man that doesn't qualify you as qualified. Ive meet plenty of technically great EC"S that are knuckle heads when it comes to safety. Just the other day I was working in a building running a new line for a sump pump that was tripping the breaker and at one point I saw a handy man type person messing with the pump with his hands in the water and it was plugged in. I instinctively yelled at him to take his hands out of the water and to let me unplug it, and he said to me awww its just 110v.

 

[iwire]

What is the osha rule about working live? say a 277 lighting circut in a office building or doctors office? Or what about working in a chemical factory that is in production 24/7? Or even changing out an oultlet on a MWBC in an office? Are you really mandated to turn off the power? Im not arguing any side to it Im just curious.

Yes you are really not supposed to work hot.

1910.333(a)(1)

"Deenergized parts." Live parts to which an employee may be exposed shall be deenergized before the employee works on or near them, unless the employer can demonstrate that deenergizing introduces additional or increased hazards or is infeasible due to equipment design or operational limitations. Live parts that operate at less than 50 volts to ground need not be deenergized if there will be no increased exposure to electrical burns or to explosion due to electric arcs.


Note 1: Examples of increased or additional hazards include interruption of life support equipment, deactivation of emergency alarm systems, shutdown of hazardous location ventilation equipment, or removal of illumination for an area.


Note 2: Examples of work that may be performed on or near energized circuit parts because of infeasibility due to equipment design or operational limitations include testing of electric circuits that can only be performed with the circuit energized and work on circuits that form an integral part of a continuous industrial process in a chemical plant that would otherwise need to be completely shut down in order to permit work on one circuit or piece of equipment.


Note 3: Work on or near deenergized parts is covered by paragraph (b) of this section.

 

[zog]

You are asking me that question? :wink:

...

Yes, and I am serious, I dont know. I dont think that 70E safe work practice compliance is part of an inspectors actual job (If it is I have never seen an inspector enforce it), but I think it should be something an inspector cares about enough to at least point out violations for the workers safety. If it were me I would stop the work if I saw a violation, wether it was my authority or not, then agin, I am not an inspector.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

[tonyou812]

Yes you are really not supposed to work hot.

Huh.... what do you know ...About two years ago I bugged in 800 amp service live, with a rubber mat, safety goggles and some gloves, and about six months before that I swapped out the guts to a 480 panel "LIVE"... yikes....At the time when I told my boss that it made me a little nervous his response was " What are you some kind of Mary?" Luckily now I mainly do residential work. Mainly cause thats mostly what I can get. but If I do have the pleasure of doing some more 480 stuff I will do get myself some proper ppe and turn off the power when possible. And I would never ask someone to do that kind of work without proper training and ppe. I woulnt want that kind of responsibility on me. 500-1000 bucks is a small price for an emploees safety.

 

[iwire]

Tony, If your the employer OSHA does not apply to you, of course death does still apply.

If you have any employees OSHA applies to all of them.

I am sure we all have done live work but as I get older and see how much my daughters need me and want me to be around, my willingness to risk my life so someone can still run their coffee maker has been going away.