Bonding pool wall joint plate

[WireNut311]

For above ground pools you have to hit 4 posts for the bonding. Is there anything in the code that says the joint plate where the walls of the pool are bolted together have to be bonded?

The pool is filled, and my only fear is if I take this support post off to expose the plate with all the bolts I won’t be able to get it back into place because of the pressure of the water. Was going to call the inspector, but I figured I’d ask you guys first.

 

[John A]

There is nothing specific in 680 regarding the 'joint plate' AFAIK. If you bond the 4 points around the pool, the theory is that the metalic framing is bonded. Also, there is a 'water bond', either thru a metalic piece in the return/suction hose, or a plate within the skimmer. or xx inches of copper coil.

The metalic walls are not mentioned specifically as requiring bonding, the theory (IMHO) is it is in contact with the support members, and the bottom 'rail', which the support members are attached to.

Again, a call to the Inspector in the town you are working in will give you his/her opinion.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

If all the metal is connected to the bonded posts then I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Little Bill]

With the vinyl liner, I wouldn't worry about the 4 points. Just bond in one place.

 

[WireNut311]

With the vinyl liner, I wouldn't worry about the 4 points. Just bond in one place.

Man do you want me to fail inspection? Lol

Metal walls, metal posts

 

[infinity]

What code section requires 4 bonding points for the metal pool frame?

 

[Little Bill]

Man do you want me to fail inspection? Lol

Metal walls, metal posts

I gave you the code section saying the 4 points is not required with a vinyl liner. What else do you want?
I've lost count on how many pools I have done and never had a problem with just bonding in one place and not the 4 points for the ones with a vinyl liner.

It doesn't hurt if you do bond at 4 points, it's just not necessary.

 

[WireNut311]

I gave you the code section saying the 4 points is not required with a vinyl liner. What else do you want?
I've lost count on how many pools I have done and never had a problem with just bonding in one place and not the 4 points for the ones with a vinyl liner.

It doesn't hurt if you do bond at 4 points, it's just not necessary.

When did you give me a code section?

I’m seeing this:

“Bonding to perimeter surfaces shall be provided as specified in 680.26(B)(2)(a) or (2)(b) and shall be attached to the pool reinforcing steel or copper conductor grid at a minimum of four (4) points uniformly spaced around the perimeter of the pool.”

 

[infinity]

When did you give me a code section?

I’m seeing this:

“Bonding to perimeter surfaces shall be provided as specified in 680.26(B)(2)(a) or (2)(b) and shall be attached to the pool reinforcing steel or copper conductor grid at a minimum of four (4) points uniformly spaced around the perimeter of the pool.”

I don't have my code book doesn't that section say that vinyl liner pools do not require the 4 points?

 

[Little Bill]

When did you give me a code section?

I’m seeing this:

“Bonding to perimeter surfaces shall be provided as specified in 680.26(B)(2)(a) or (2)(b) and shall be attached to the pool reinforcing steel or copper conductor grid at a minimum of four (4) points uniformly spaced around the perimeter of the pool.”

680.26(B)(1)
Vinyl liners and fiberglass composite
shells shall be considered to be nonconductive materials.

680.26(B)(2)
For nonconductive pool shells, bonding at four points
shall not be required.

I may have you mixed up with another thread.

 

[WireNut311]

I may have you mixed up with another thread.

Roger that. Pretty sure I need to bond 4 points with it being a metal wall. It’s a 27ft x 54” pool

 

[Little Bill]

Roger that. Pretty sure I need to bond 4 points with it being a metal wall. It’s a 27ft x 54” pool

Did you even read the code sections I posted?

 

[WireNut311]

Did you even read the code sections I posted?

To be fair I originally asked about the the metal plate that bonds the pool walls together.

I’m going to bond 4 posts, pumps, and skimmer regardless because that’s what the inspector approved.

In your response I saw it said nonconductive pool shells don’t need to be bonded and I moved on

 

[Little Bill]

To be fair I originally asked about the the metal plate that bonds the pool walls together.

I’m going to bond 4 posts, pumps, and skimmer regardless because that’s what the inspector approved.

In your response I saw it said nonconductive pool shells don’t need to be bonded and I moved on

I didn't say it didn't need bonding, I said bonding at 4 points was not required.
Carry on!

 

[WireNut311]

I didn't say it didn't need bonding, I said bonding at 4 points was not required.
Carry on!

I’m reading that you do.

 

[Little Bill]

I’m reading that you do.

So the actual written code doesn't matter, got it! Just watch a Youtube video. Do what you want, I'm done!

 

[WireNut311]

So the actual written code doesn't matter, got it! Just watch a Youtube video. Do what you want, I'm done!

And where in the code does it say a non-storable AGP with conductive walls doesn’t need bonding in 4 points?

 

[Little Bill]

And where in the code does it say a non-storable AGP with conductive walls doesn’t need bonding in 4 points?

See post #10, the code sections are there.

 

[WireNut311]

See post #10, the code sections are there.

Vinyl liner or not the shell is still metal and it’s what the inspector approved

 

[Fred B]

Vinyl liner or not the shell is still metal and it’s what the inspector approved

Liner is not the Shell. If line was synonymous with the Shell, it wouldn't be addressed separately in 680.26(B)