Boy shocked at summer school

[mdshunk]

Given the boy got burns, he had to put the paper clip into two slots...

What makes you think there simply wasn't a metallic cover plate, as would normally be the case on a college campus?

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Marc,
That is possible. Around here, other than industrial FS type boxes, there are very few metallic cover plates. Most of the injuries cited in the substantiation for this rule were in dwelling units, most likely with nonmetallic cover plates, and there were still a large number of burn injuries. I am only trying to point out what I believe to be a design flaw in the TR devices that results in a false expectation of safety. When this was proposed I fully expected that the design of the device would require simultaneous insertion to open the shutters, but that is not the case, as least with the 2 different brands that I have played with.

 

[iwire]

Given the boy got burns, he had to put the paper clip into two slots...the TR receptacle will not prevent you from sticking objects into both slots even if you do them one at a time.

I am not volunteering to be the guinea pig:grin: but I think you would be hard pressed to get a paper clip into a TR.

The TRs I have worked with would fold a paper clip more likely then allow it in.

 

[nakulak]

I am not volunteering to be the guinea pig:grin: but I think you would be hard pressed to get a paper clip into a TR.

The TRs I have worked with would fold a paper clip more likely then allow it in.

aw, go on, give it a try Bob

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

TR receptacles have their place, but in every installation as per the NEC is still in my opinion a BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE!!!
There is no reason for the NEC to start doing what the government has a market on.

 

[mxslick]

<snip>There is no reason for the NEC to start doing what the government has a market on.

My vote for quote of the week. :grin:

My take on this? If this incident involved an infant or toddler, say a child under 5 or 6, I would feel sorry. But a ten year-old should know better, and as my landlord likes to say:

"Stupid should be painful. "

I hope that the injured boy does recover, and that he has learned a valuable lesson.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I am not volunteering to be the guinea pig:grin: but I think you would be hard pressed to get a paper clip into a TR.

The TRs I have worked with would fold a paper clip more likely then allow it in.

Bob,
I have one right here and I have no problem getting a paper clip or any other other object that fits into the slot to open the shutter as long as you place an object, one bent object, or two objects into the slots. It takes only a very small amount of pressure to release the shutters. You put one object in one slot with a bit of pressure and then when you insert the second object, also with minimal pressure, both shutters open.

Note, this is with the new receptacles that have come into the market as a result of the new code rule and it may not apply to the ones that have been used in the past that are a lot more expensive. I have not played with one of the older type for many years, the only thing that I remember about them was that you had to land the wires on the opposite terminals than you do on a standard receptacle. That is the brass screw was behind the longer slot and the white screw behind the shorter slot.

 

[76nemo]

TR receptacles have their place, but in every installation as per the NEC is still in my opinion a BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE!!!
There is no reason for the NEC to start doing what the government has a market on.

I do not expect Pierre's statement to back my arguement. What I would like to express is the fact that we all can disagree and move on:smile:

 

[K8MHZ]

I don't know what the big deal is. I started sticking clips in the receptacles when I was six. Only one side hurts, you know. We used to put crickets in light bulb sockets, too. Some of them didn't even seem to feel it but I sure did when I used my finger to check for voltage.

 

[ZZZ]

I don't know what the big deal is. I started sticking clips in the receptacles when I was six. Only one side hurts, you know. We used to put crickets in light bulb sockets, too. Some of them didn't even seem to feel it but I sure did when I used my finger to check for voltage.

That's my feelings. I remember quite well the day I tried it. It was at my grandmother's house where my mother lived with her until I started first grade. This would have made me six years old or less. They had the old receptacles with the face that had to be rotated 90 degrees to insert a plug. I would guess they were from the fifties as it was around 1959. I was really attracted to these devices and I even remember the arrow engraved in them showing the direction to twist. One day I found a bobby pin and succeded in inserting it. It both burned and shocked me and I received both a scolding and a lot of sympathy from everyone. Hospital? You've got to be kidding. Ever since that day I have had a great respect for electricity, and a great interest in it. Probably the best lesson I ever learned. If kids grow up in a completely sterile environment, free from anything resembling danger, I am afraid they will grow up feeling completly safe, and invincible. This is the most dangerous attitude a young person can have.

 

[76nemo]

I cut the cord to our familys TV when I was three years old, it threw me about two feet I am told. I blame my narrow mindness on it. Did you see the signature,....Certified Dummy???? Darned TV:grin:

 

[Rampage_Rick]

So a 10-year old did what many of us tried around age 3-4... Seems a little slow on the uptake. Then again, SOMEONE has to pump gas.

"Stupid should be painful"

*Speechless* I'm going to carve that into my Clue-By-Four

[Usenet: portmanteau, clue + two-by-four] The notional stick with which one whacks an aggressively clueless person. This term derives from a western American folk saying about training a mule ?First, you got to hit him with a two-by-four. That's to get his attention.? The clue-by-four is a close relative of the LART. Syn. clue stick.

 

[iwire]

TR receptacles have their place, but in every installation as per the NEC is still in my opinion a BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE!!!
There is no reason for the NEC to start doing what the government has a market on.

I would love to here a explanation of why the NEC requiring covers on devices is reasonable but a TR receptacle is a "BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE"

I have no doubt when the old live front switchboards where phased out plenty of electricians felt that was a BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE now in hindsight we see that was a good rule change.

 

[crossman]

The obvious and 100% effective solution is to ban receptacles in computer classrooms altogether. By banning receptacles, no child would ever again get injured by electricity in a computer classroom.

And if we can save even one child, wouldn't it be worth it?

TR receptacles are not the answer for absolute safety. Not allowing receptacles in computer classrooms is the only way to make it absolutely safe for children.

What? You want the convenience of electrical outlets? You want the convenience and educational value of computers? Are you kidding me? You value the luxury of having easy access to electricity over the safety of a child? Again I say.... if we could save even one child, wouldn't removing all receptacles from computer classrooms have been worth it?

 

[crossman]

Oh... and any of you that say that TR receptacles are good enough, well, I am ashamed of you choosing luxury over tHe SaFety oF ThE cHiLdrEn.

Shame shame shame!

 

[iwire]

40,000 folks a year die in auto accidents, the obvious answer would be to remove autos entirely:wink: .... that is not practical so we try to make them safer.

Doing away with electricity is not a practical solution.

Requiring a safer receptacle that is only moderatly more money is IMO practical.

90.1 Purpose

(A) Practical Safeguarding. The purpose of this code is the practical safeguarding of persons and property from electrical hazards arising from the use of electricity.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

I would love to here a explanation of why the NEC requiring covers on devices is reasonable but a TR receptacle is a "BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE"

I have no doubt when the old live front switchboards where phased out plenty of electricians felt that was a BIG FAT RIDICULOUS JOKE now in hindsight we see that was a good rule change.

With the coverplate in place, there is little chance of an item falling in the open box and making contact with live parts.

Without TR receptacles, there is little chance of an item falling into the slots...it takes an effort, mostly by unwatched children to make that happen.

So, maybe in Lamaz (spelling??) classes, the parents to be should also be taught how to teach their children to keep items out of the slots.

I am not saying I am against TR receptacles....I am saying I am against them being forced down our throats to install in every dwelling.
Good example of how they are not needed in every location. Hospitals require them in PEDIATRIC locations, not the rest of the hospital...hospitals are some of the safest places to be.


Next I see the NEC requiring all equipment to be installed HARDWIRED. :wink:

 

[yankj]

I'm sorry that this child was injured. But WHEN are we going to hold people accountable for their actions? When I was 10 years old, I for sure knew better than to put anything into an electrical receptacle. I am an electrician in a public school district and I see were kids have done alot of stupid things. Also, don't blame teachers. Teachers cannot watch every child constantly. Kids need to be taught at home.

 

[got_nailed]

Vilcus plug dactyloadapter... hmm this tells it all if there selling it for the European kids.

http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/vilcus/

 

[crossman]

40,000 folks a year die in auto accidents, the obvious answer would be to remove autos entirely:wink: .... that is not practical so we try to make them safer.

Doing away with electricity is not a practical solution.

Requiring a safer receptacle that is only moderatly more money is IMO practical.

If safety were the most important thing, and if sAviNg eVeN a siNgLe cHiLd is what everyone is interested in, then we would do away with cars and we should do away with receptacles.

Obviously the safety of the children is not the most important thing. It is sad that our glutinous ways and luxurious lifestyles take precedent over the safety of the children.

I sure hope everyone realizes that I am being totally facetious on this.