It's an unusual approach. I've been ivolved in many RV installs and almost all of them used loop feeders, commonly 100-200 amp, to feed multiple pedestals. The pedestals are designed or that type arrangement.
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brantmacga
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From what I’m reading, OP is likely building an automated RV park where booking and check-in is handled through an app. You need monitored control over each pedestal to energize and de-energize the lot based on the rental dates. You pull to the gate, punch in a key code or scan a QR code, and the site is then powered on. When you leave, the site will then be powered off.
There are alternative ways to handle this, but the Eaton smart breakers and dedicated feeders are the most economical and maintenance-friendly way to do it. Eaton also has an open API that allows anyone to write their own control software.
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xformer
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Right behind ya.
Your method is certainly the one I prefer! Effective and easily implemented. But I understand my client’s want for more monitoring and control as these new RVs with dual ACs are rather power hungry. Utility costs are a huge concern anymore.
Right on the money! This will be a 30 site park in Indiana. This will be our pilot site with the Eaton breakers.
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Aren't most or all smart breakers just shunt trips that can be powered off remotely but must be manually reset to power back on or am I just lost or behind?
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I'm designing 20-site parks, client wants to build 20 of them in the southeast.
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The Eaton breakers can be switched off/on remotely. Instead of having LV wired switching like the BABRPxxxx breakers, these are controlled completely over Wi-Fi.
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4x4dually
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My guess is that it has a wifi repeater/antenna outside the enclosure stuck through a knockout.
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Makes sense, it was only time when they would start doing it!
In commercial, the breakers turn off/on using one of two methods, Eaton uses solenoids (we call them SOB’s) Square D uses tiny dc motors. Larger breakers use motors that wind up a spring to open and close.
First I’ve heard of Eaton using WiFi. Interesting. Eaton has always had issues with the control rails on their previous models. Are these bolt in? Or plug in? I installed some wireless self powered CT’s made by an Israeli company. They had a booster/retransmiter mounted outside the panel. It would be too costly for this application.
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Looked it up, they do make them in both plug and bolt in. Drawback is they take up two pole spaces for a single pole, but that is to be expected.
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Another drawback I see, is they do not have afci or gfci models, yet say it’s for a smart home.
brantmacga
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2-pole takes up three spaces. Need a 60 circuit section for 20 breakers.
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xformer
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I sense a code change in the near future. What about a warning label?
What warning would you want to see? These breakers will be located at the main distribution panel. The RV pedestals will still have a local 50A breaker as well.
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This would likely be a discussion for another thread, but IMHO some signage indicating Remote Control possible.
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I vote we remove ALL warning labels and let natural selection take back over. It has failed us in the last 20 years....but that's just my $.02
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