Cable ties for MC cable

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Does anyone know if nylon cable ties are permitted for type MC cable?
330.30 does not mention it specifically, but 320.30 says specifically that cable ties are acceptable for type AC cable.

Thanks in advance,
Steve Menser, Indianapolis
 
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IF YOU CAN FIND A BAG OF NYLON CABLE TIES THAT STATES "LISTED FOR USE ON MC CABLE " AS A FASTENING DEVICE,THEN YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.
 
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WELL "UNLISTED FOR USE ON MC CABLE" JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE! BUT THE DEF. OF LISTED IN NEC DOES.THE POINT BEING-YOU CAN'T JUST GUESS,IF IT'S IN WRITING ON THE BAG OR BOX,YOU HAVE PROOF,IF A PROBLEM SHOULD ARISE.JUST LIKE I HAVE FOR THIS ONE.
 
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BEN I DO NOT GUESS AT NEC QUESTIONS. :D

[ March 23, 2004, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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Ben, TURN YOUR CAPS OFF.

Now inline with Bobs post (AND IF YOU STICK AROUND YOU WILL INDEED SEE BOB NEVER GUESSES)

Let's start with 90.4,

The authority having jurisdiction for enforcement of of the Code has the responsibility for making interpretations of the rules, for deciding on the approval of equipment and materials, ...


This specifically allows an inspector to approve an installation on his judgement, regardless of the absence of a listing as long as the items in the installation are not specificaly required to be listed in an article.

Now 90.7, Note the second and third words, Specific items, these items are stated in the applicable articles, and relieves the AHJ of having to judge an item safe.

Now, look at this wording
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if the equipment has been listed by a qualified electrical testing laboratory that is recognized as having the facilities described above ...
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this would also relieve the inspector of this decision if a "non specific item" is listed.

With the exception of the items called for to be listed in the specific articles, there is no mandatory rule that requires all items to be third party tested.

Roger
 
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By the way, when I say I do not guess, I only mean I look things up. :)

I do not mean that I "know" the NEC perfectly. :cool:

[ March 23, 2004, 08:04 PM: Message edited by: iwire ]
 
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Guess what? I am one of those 90.4's and I have approved a bent 16 penny nail over a piece of MC cable as a support. It was my perogotive to approve it. The support does not need to be listed, it needs to be approved. See the definition of both.
 
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BOB,YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK YOUR COMPUTER,THE TEXT IS REALLY DARK AND BIG TOO!WHEN I SAID YOU CAN'T _ _ _ _ _ I WAS NOT AIMING IT AT YOU IT WAS A GENERIC TERM,I JUST CAN'T SEEM TO GET THIS SMILE OFF MY FACE.AND YES,I DO FEEL ALL THE MATERIALS SHOULD BE LISTED FOR THEIR USE. FRANK,FORMERLY FROM MASS. MYSELF
 
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BEN DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAP LOCK KEY IS ON YOUR KEYBOARD?

Roger
 
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Originally posted by roger:
BEN DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAP LOCK KEY IS ON YOUR KEYBOARD?

Roger
Click to expand...
I can help point it out. :p

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What about the unlisted "push penny" type KO plugs?

Roger
 
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Bob, I was going to ask you for that. :D

Ryan, it must be contagious. ;)

Roger

[ March 23, 2004, 08:24 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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I TRIED TO USE 16 PENNY NAILS ONE TIME BUT THE BAR JOISTS WERE JUST TO hard.CAN YOU GUYS DO ME A FAVOR AND TURN YOUR CAPS ON. the end.
 
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