California Electrification

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Coppersmith said:
This is a code violation. The two pole breaker has to be at the bottom of the panel (furthest from the main lugs).
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It's too late ... All new manufactured panels in California have a sticker at the top of the panel reserving that space for solar already !
 
mtnelect said:
It's too late ... All new manufactured panels in California have a sticker at the top of the panel reserving that space for solar already !
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Coppersmith said:
This is a code violation. The two pole breaker has to be at the bottom of the panel (furthest from the main lugs).
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It required to be on the opposite end of the supply to utilize the 120% rule. There is no requirement it be on the bottom. We frequently install panels with the feed on the bottom.
 
mtnelect said:
It's too late ... All new manufactured panels in California have a sticker at the top of the panel reserving that space for solar already !
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None of the SquareD CSED's or load centers we have purchased come with the sticker factory installed. They include a sticker to be field installed.
 
mtnelect said:
It's too late ... All new manufactured panels in California have a sticker at the top of the panel reserving that space for solar already !
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That will probably work about as well as the "This product may cause cancer" stickers required by California. Exact opposite of the desired intent.

Now literally everything has a warning sticker on it. Nobody has any idea what products they should really avoid because it might really cause cancer. Too many CYA stickers on everything. If you pick up a piece of steel, it will probably have a warning label on it.
 
mtnelect said:
By 2025 the California Energy Commission will outlaw all gas appliances, including propane. All new buildings (Commercial & Residential) will be all electrical. Are you read ?
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Not exactly. The California Energy Commission just cleared the way for individual CITIES to decide on banning natural gas appliances on NEW homes being built. I SERIOUSLY DOUBT that in rural areas where people rely on propone, their communities will outlaw it, and existing homes with gas appliances will not be forced to upgrade.
 
mtnelect said:
Our country has a energy problem. We have to transfer to a more energy efficiency model ! Lets talk about it !
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We have hydro electric where I live. At least six hydro plants within 60 miles of my house. We do not have an energy problem like the left coast. But somebody is still lining their pockets with solar here. The solar farms built here 20 years ago are grown up in weeds and are offline, but they are still building more.
 
Electricity is not an energy source.

That elementary misunderstanding is wreaking havoc all over the place.

Electricity is the product of an energy source.

And California is a corporate fascist dictatorship. Any law made here is designed to benefit some corporation.
 
Gaslighting - when you accuse the insurgent technology of being guilty of what the incumbent technology has been doing for decades...
 
California is unique in terms of energy sources.
The “clean” energy from GEOTHERMAL energy that is barely exploited--that could provide energy for California and possibly even its neighbors.

At the moment, the state is the world’s leader in terms of electricity production from geothermal heat source.
A large portion still remain untapped.

Electricity production from geothermal does have its minimal nasty by-product-- but not considerable enough to be a big concern. Hydrogen sulfide also known as “sewer gas” is present during production/usage in small concentration.
This gas is present in our daily routine. Belching cows spew, and persons farting are a particular source too.

So, take it easy on those REFRIED BEANS to help the environment. lol

Check the following research/statistics to get a better picture. A large portion of Southern California is now using electricity from this heat source.

California can afford NOT having its power from Nuclear Power Plants, Fossil Fuel and Biofuels.
The state’s last nuclear power plant is now being de-commissioned for good, the Diablo Nuclear Power Plant.
Estimates say it will take ten years to totally take it out safely and remove spent fuel rods.

I was in Iceland a little over two years ago and all heating and cooling systems use Geothermal energy. The largest user of geothermal energy in (Europe) in the Norwegian Sea that thrives on geothermal. The country is sitting on active volcanoes . . . just like Southern California sitting on top of huge volcano-- Yellowstone.

Not quite located entirely in the Arctic Circle. . . Iceland still have warm temp in the summer.

Here’s comparison of countries that benefit from this energy source.

www.vox.com

Geothermal energy is poised for a big breakout

“An engineering problem that, when solved, solves energy.”
www.vox.com www.vox.com
 
Fracking used in enhanced geothermal systems has the capability of triggering earthquakes in areas with fault zones, so that could be a constraint where it's used in Califormia.
 
mbrooke said:
I was thinking 10,000MWs of new nuclear generation.
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Good luck. They're shutting down what little nuclear they have.

Little known fact: California specifically excludes large-scale hydro as a renewable electricity source. Otherwise they'd already meet the current 50% targets.
 
mtnelect said:
We install only "Ductless" HVAC systems. The old Forced Air Systems can't comply with the new California Energy Commission requirements. The CEC requires HERS ( Home Energy Rating Systems) inspections to require a 12% duct leakage to outside air. Contractors can't meet those standards. California is the leader for energy efficiency.
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Sure, great idea. Let's triple our capital costs for HVAC equipment and maybe ignore the minimum outside air exchange requirements to boot.
 
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