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Roger just once ,When you walk in anyone here would say wow.2 kitchens olympic pool inside the house 14 bedromms each with a jetted tub all marble floors and a theater that is awesome on 3 acres in a gated community where the average 1/2 acre lot is 1/2m,one side is a wetland other a lake no neighbors.Oh and a 2 story mater closet.
Oh I forgot the house has a 8 car garage and also a 6 car with a 3 room apt.above.
The master BR is 2,500 ft as big as my house.
Am I proud hell yeah,4 guys 60 day rough including a 150 lsl system,800amp ct service and the only bad joints were where a 6 gang had all 4 ways and travellers got swapped.Oh rough and final passed first time.Inspector was like wow ;) I had a link I`ll try to find it.
 
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Allen, that doesn't answer my question, how many times has this house sold?

Now, since you keep bringing this house up every two or three threads (it seems like :D

Anyways, would you be so kind to answer how many times the house you are talking about has changed hands.

Roger

[ December 27, 2005, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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Boy I missed a bit. I'll chime in now. For me stranded gets sta-kon or pressure plate.

Jim you are way off base with your "argument" regarding pigtailing vs feed thru.

For the rest of you it is "tract" housing. :p

[ December 27, 2005, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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John, you are correct. :)

Roger
 
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Jim, this is a privately owned home.

BTW, you live in Tampa, do you know how many times Allen's big house has changed hands?


Roger

[ December 27, 2005, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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Originally posted by sparky111074:
i was wondering if you can use a recepticle as a splice point the
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My $.02

Yes you can... That's why there is more than two screws for the hot and neutral. But please don't.

When I worked for others, I've been mostly around commercial/industrial work and pulled stranded best part of the time. I have had my share of service and new construction. And we used pressure plate receptacles or sta-con's, 'cause they hold better. Nothing against the "leave-a-tail" method, if it is done right. IMO


When I started contracting, my 1st G.C. that gave me regular work, and still gives us plenty, specializes in fire restorations. Residential & Commercial. And by the way... Electrical fires suck!

One that comes to mind, was a 3500 sq ft house built mid 90's and the fire did very little damage. In the Master bedroom on one circuit, in the far corner there was a TV, VCR, DVD and Cable box plugged into a surge strip. Mid-room was a piece of exercise equipment. Next to the head of the bed was the "home run" box, with just a lamp and a clock radio. All receps were feed thru.

Husband was on the exerciser.

The fire started in the "home run" box. The hot side of the recep (where the clock radio was plugged in) over heated and ignited the wall paper. The fire was put out before the bed spread and carpet caught. About $10,000 damage.

Home owner "insisted" we pig tale the whole house. I guess a Arc-Fault "might" have helped.

Needless to say... we pig tail.

[ December 27, 2005, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Minuteman ]
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
[QB]I have done all emt homes ,NM homes,even smurf homes.Biggest to date 32,5000 ft 1 bad joint :D :cool: . The company I am working for right now has a 30,000 sq. foot home project, that is expected to reach 25 plus million. They are putting the finishing touches on one that has reached 30 Million dollars. :eek:

[ December 27, 2005, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: jes25 ]
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Well Roger to quell your obsesion,This is has been the 1st sale( Oh didn`t I open my post that way)
 
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Originally posted by peter d:
Perhaps i have done far more service work than you.Often its that kind of work that generates the service calls.But just keep doing it as i can use the money .Seen a fire start in front of my eyes one night over just this kind of lazy connections.All i am saying is under small loads typical in residential you might never have problems.If your on my jobs you will pigtail.
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I will ask you this one simple question: How will a receptacle using connections that are side-wrapped (not stabbed) ever fail unless the screws are loose to start?
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Peter, Allow me.

The 15 amp residential grade recep has a 20 amp brass break out tab on it. When you feed thru, you are making that tab a part of the circuit. Which is okay for minimal or non continual loads.

However, there is NO WAY that the tab should hold a full/continuous load. Since we never know what the load may be, would it not be better to trust a #12 copper over a little brass tab?
 
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"The 15 amp residential grade recep has a 20 amp brass break out tab on it. When you feed thru, you are making that tab a part of the circuit. Which is okay for minimal or non continual loads.

However, there is NO WAY that the tab should hold a full/continuous load. Since we never know what the load may be, would it not be better to trust a #12 copper over a little brass tab? "

While that is true i have never ran a service call and found that jumper burned out.Put have seen my fair share of new homes and helper (green) broke wrong or both taps.
This is about personal choice.Those looking to cut time will just simply not pigtail.
 
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Originally posted by allenwayne:
Well Roger to quell your obsesion,This is has been the 1st sale( Oh didn`t I open my post that way)
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Allen, thanks for the answer, but if this house only sold once how is it that in Sept you said it sold for a lousy 3.5

Originally posted by allenwayne:
It was actually a thrill to trim this house,Three chandaliers were delivered in crates when i inquired as to thier value the resonse was can you go back to Henery the 8`ths and get a replacement :D B.T.W. I saw it sold for a lousy 3.5 mil.Guess iam in the wrong business :D

Roger

[ December 28, 2005, 06:24 AM: Message edited by: roger ]
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The 15 amp residential grade recep has a 20 amp brass break out tab on it. When you feed thru, you are making that tab a part of the circuit. Which is okay for minimal or non continual loads.

However, there is NO WAY that the tab should hold a full/continuous load. Since we never know what the load may be, would it not be better to trust a #12 copper over a little brass tab? [/QB]
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Again another well meaning yet mis informed person.
Your story is one in millions or more. Feed thru is fine.
 
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WELL roger deals fall thru .This was a wind fall,unlike some bags of wind that blow thru here.
Oh BTW did you wire that mansion or just change the blown bulbs :p
 
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Originally posted by roger:
BTW, have you noticed I have an addmirer kind of like Electricmanscott does? :D

Roger
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Roger you really stink. Only one fan? :D

I have 4 currently and I think another four were deleted. I have been on an ambitious year end recruiting drive. My efforts are working. :D
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
The 15 amp residential grade recep has a 20 amp brass break out tab on it. When you feed thru, you are making that tab a part of the circuit. Which is okay for minimal or non continual loads.

However, there is NO WAY that the tab should hold a full/continuous load. Since we never know what the load may be, would it not be better to trust a #12 copper over a little brass tab?
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Again another well meaning yet mis informed person.
Your story is one in millions or more. Feed thru is fine. [/QB]
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As I said: Yes you can... That's why there is more than two screws for the hot and neutral. But please don't.

Is it listed and tested for it???

Sure it is. And people do it all the time. My truck's speedometer says 120 mph. I can - if I need to - but I don't do it, 'cause it's not safe. I gotta sleep at night and I don't want to risk MY license.

Hey, the NEC says you can use #14 to wire a house. But, it's been a local code here for ages that the minimum be a #12. Just because it's listed for it, it don't make it right.

Do what you want. As I said, I have a GC that use us a lot, that specializes in fire restoration. :)
 
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