Chester the Cheetah

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Another potential problem: What about crooked studs? Do these even adjust side-to-side, or do you have to live with whatever pitch the box has?
 
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Originally posted by macmikeman:
So how am I going to get one of those things to stay in the box - after I stick 6 12-2 cables into the box its hard enough to shovel that receptacle back in there even if you push real hard with the screwgun. :D :D :D
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Good point :D I noticed on the installation video, he had to go back and push two in a second time. I wasn't sure if he didn't get them in all the way the first time, or if they popped back out when he put the last receptacle in :eek:
 
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By George:

So I wonder how fast it is after the drywallers pack the slots with mud?
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Yep. Good luck finding even one of those square holes with no mud in it.

By George:

What about crooked studs? Do these even adjust side-to-side
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Are those screws on the front of the devices? It looks like they adjust but I can't tell. If you had to adjust one it might slow down that really fast guy in the video though. :D
 
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It seems that their "free starter kit" is boxes only, meaning you're comitted to buying their devices. Free, indeed! :roll:
 
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Tom,

According to their literature it is tested by ETL to UL standards compliance.
 
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Put that next to the SQ D "Trillant" panel.


Add another product to the list that parts are hard to come by???

[ January 25, 2006, 08:22 PM: Message edited by: norcal ]
 
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I don't like what I see so far.

Do the boxes attach with nails or do they come with double sided tape?!!!?

Looks like the plate snaps on too, with no "play" to level it. So if the box is even slightly out of level then the outlet is out of level and the plate will also be out of level.

If that's the case they are Unacceptable! :D

I did think the P&S plug-in devices looked like a nice idea though. All the splices done on the rough. The little snap in connectors even come in a little plastic bag to protect them from paint overspray. I never used one though.
Downside: You would go through a hell of a lot of wire nuts!
I wonder if the adaptor/connector/pigtail & wire nuts would count as another wire for box fill? It should.
 
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I hate to drag up an old post, but I had a student in my apprentice class bring something to my attention. These cheetah switchs have no provisions for grounding. I don't see anyway to meet the provisions of 404.9(B). I would like to know if any other inspectors have run into this?

Chris
 
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Here is the E-mail just sent them:

I have two questions:

1) In your FAQ sentence is the following: ?Q: What if the non-metallic box is inset in the wall, causing the device to not lie flush?
A: The electrician pushes the device until it is tight against the wall. In some cases this leaves a few teeth of the speed anchor unattached to the box, which is correct?

This seems to violate section 314.20 of the 2005 NEC.

2) How is the NEC section 404.9 satisfied by using your product?
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[ January 30, 2006, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
 
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Originally posted by raider1:
I hate to drag up an old post, but I had a student in my apprentice class bring something to my attention. These cheetah switchs have no provisions for grounding. I don't see anyway to meet the provisions of 404.9(B). I would like to know if any other inspectors have run into this?

Chris
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Well, according to the videos on their site it's easy...you don't terminate an EGC to them!!!

EDIT: here is the link http://www.nomorescrews.com/install.html

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The plug tail system works awsome IMHO. Busting out 400 plugs plain sucks. They make em for GFI's? The only problem is when the drywallers zip through the wires but that happens anyways. Those other ones dont look very promising though. I don't really care for the stab in connection.

Just my 2 cents
 
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Shocked by 277: The only problem is when the drywallers zip through the wires but that happens anyways.
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Not if you start back charging them for the repairs, it stops immediately!

We use to have that problem too but once we started back charging the drywallers or GC it was smooth sailing, no more cut wire or buried box's :D
 
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If you uncover your buried boxes with a large hammer :D you will not have as many problems either Hit it em were it hurts.....the pocketbook.
 
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Originally posted by raider1:
I hate to drag up an old post, but I had a student in my apprentice class bring something to my attention. These cheetah switchs have no provisions for grounding. I don't see anyway to meet the provisions of 404.9(B). I would like to know if any other inspectors have run into this?

Chris
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shall provide a means to ground metal faceplates, whether or not a metal faceplate is installed. Snap switches shall be considered effectivley grounded if either of the following conditions are met.
(1) The switch is mounted with metal screws to a metal box or to a nonmetallic box with integral means for grounding devices.
(2) An equipment grounding conductor or equipment bonding jumper is connected to an equipment grounding termination of the snapswitch.


The switch would be UL listed for no grounding means since it is an all plastic device and there is no means to terminate a ground. The faceplate is plastic. This goes without say that a ground shall be provided to ground metal objects (metal straps and metal faceplates), none of which we have that is integral.


Just my interpretation.
 
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Throttlebody,

These devices are UL listed, but that does not relieve them of complying with 404.9(B).

404.9(B) Grounding. Snap switches, including dimmer and similar control switches, shall be effectively grounded and shall provide a means to ground metal faceplates, whether or not a metal faceplate is installed. Snap switches shall be considered effectively grounded if either of the following conditions is met:

(1) The switch is mounted with metal screws to a metal box or to a nonmetallic box with integral means for grounding devices.

(2) An equipment grounding conductor or equipment bonding jumper is connected to an equipment grounding termination of the snap switch.

I don't see an exception for a switch that is all plastic or doesn't have a ground terminal. I think this section is pretty specific that all switches must be grounded.

Chris
 
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I agree with Chris. :)

(1) The switch is mounted with metal screws to a metal box or to a nonmetallic box with integral means for grounding devices.
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I'll betcha this is their loophole. They "expect" an installer to use grounding clips.
 
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