Circuit powered by two diferent circuit breaker

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boboelectric said:
If that wirenutted conductor abandoned is hot,I would consider it a violation especially to the next guy who might grab it. (Hot because of a backfeed.)
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It's not abandoned. It's simply an energized conductor that is not terminated on a device.

Let me ask you this: Who here is in the habit of just grabbing wires without first determining if they are 'hot'? If so, you would not fall under the generally-accepted term of 'qualified personel'.

What is the difference between this energized conductor being wirenutted and left in a panel, and an energized conductor being wirenutted and left in a device box?
 
480sparky said:
What is the difference between this energized conductor being wirenutted and left in a panel, and an energized conductor being wirenutted and left in a device box?
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Or an energized cable, wirenutted off and hanging inside a wall. I'm pretty sure that's legal too.
 
I can't believe this is even being debated as vigorously as it is. It seems to me there are people who worry about "the next {unqualified} guy" a lot, an there are people who don't (like myself.)

I have a bit more faith in electricians than some do to figure out what a mysterious wire does.
 
peter d said:
I have a bit more faith in electricians than some do to figure out what a mysterious wire does.
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Right. Actually, if I found an energized wire hanging inside a panel, the very first thing that would cross my mind would be that someone accidentally got two circuits interconnected in a junction box someplace, so they just took one off the breaker.
 
mdshunk said:
Right. Actually, if I found an energized wire hanging inside a panel, the very first thing that would cross my mind would be that someone accidentally got two circuits interconnected in a junction box someplace, so they just took one off the breaker.
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The firs thing that would cross my mind is to instantly remove any insulation and stick the wire in my mouth. :grin:
 
boboelectric said:
480sparkler,look at your cartoon,picture a homeowner getting rapped because of this neglect
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Imagine a unqualified person unscrewing a panel cover then touching the bare buss bars.
 
boboelectric said:
480sparkler,look at your cartoon,picture a homeowner getting rapped because of this neglect
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What a homeowner does is none of my business.

Suppose that some homeowner races cars? Skydives? Is an astronaut? Or a stuntman? I can't save the world. Especially from itself.
 
iwire said:
Imagine a unqualified person unscrewing a panel cover then touching the bare buss bars.
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Exactly why Canada put in place the rules they have regarding exposure of energized parts...

That being said.... you could drive yourself nuts trying to exceed the code in order to protect the HO.
 
tallguy said:
Exactly why Canada put in place the rules they have regarding exposure of energized parts...
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I like that rule, wish it was the case here.

That being said.... you could drive yourself nuts trying to exceed the code in order to protect the HO.
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Yes
 
iwire said:
Yes
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I'm going to say yes to that yes. As I said earlier in this thread there are those who worry about the unqualified, and those who do not. I'm fully aware that some have the mentality that everything they do is with the unqualified in mind. I'm not one of them.
 
iwire said:
I like that rule, wish it was the case here.
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Me too, although I've never gone so far as to purchase Canadian parts. If someone were so inclined, would there by any barrier to doing so? I assume that the Canadian versions of panels are still UL listed.
peter d said:
I'm going to say yes to that yes. As I said earlier in this thread there are those who worry about the unqualified, and those who do not. I'm fully aware that some have the mentality that everything they do is with the unqualified in mind.
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They should padlock the panels then... OK, maybe not such a hot idea... :wink:
 
I haven't read all of the posts/comments but this scenaio was often the case on offshore platform living quarters to maintain receptacle integrity. It was designed into the original intent so that circuit overload was not a problem and take caution to be on the same bus.

I ran across this on a European off shore rigs and beleive they called it a ring loop feed,,,,,,,,don't quote me LOL

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