Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
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petersonra
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
why would there be such a rule in the first place?
why would there be such a rule in the first place?
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- Mission Viejo, CA
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
There are no specific NEC or NFPA (National Fuel Gas Code) requirements, that would require the wiring method to be more rigorous. There MAY be local codes or utility restrictions that would affect it in residential applications. It is not likely.
There are no specific NEC or NFPA (National Fuel Gas Code) requirements, that would require the wiring method to be more rigorous. There MAY be local codes or utility restrictions that would affect it in residential applications. It is not likely.
peter d
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
I am going to assume by your use of terminology that you are not an electrician.
jimwalker
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Your a general contractor why don't you let your electrician handle the wires and you go back to bending nails
[ January 04, 2005, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
Your a general contractor why don't you let your electrician handle the wires and you go back to bending nails
[ January 04, 2005, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
Thanks very much rbalex for a helpful and professional answer.
As far as the other participant's comment
I think you can do more good focusing your energy on contributing to or improving your trade rather than attack someone interested in fulfilling code requirements.
Thanks very much rbalex for a helpful and professional answer.
As far as the other participant's comment
Unfortunately experience has shown more than once that even expensive licensed electrician's don't know code as well as they should. And when they screw up it's the GC that gets burned. The cost of chasing down and trying to get compensation from a licensed electrician after the fact isn't worth it. So the GC needs to know the issues and manage the EC for the good of the project and homeowner.
I think you can do more good focusing your energy on contributing to or improving your trade rather than attack someone interested in fulfilling code requirements.
jimwalker
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Well if a GC questioned my ability i would tell him to do the job himself.We have inspectors to check our work.Not many electricians would put up with a non electrician questioning there work.If that hurts im sorry, but would you want your customer questioning how you frame a wall ?
Well if a GC questioned my ability i would tell him to do the job himself.We have inspectors to check our work.Not many electricians would put up with a non electrician questioning there work.If that hurts im sorry, but would you want your customer questioning how you frame a wall ?
electricmanscott
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
If your EC fails inspection and you're afraid of the consequences, don't pay him 100% up front!
As a further rebuke, charge him the re-inspection fee. I fail to see the point of your approach. It's like steering a car from the backseat with your big toe blindfolded while mainlining narcotics--makes for an interesting trip, but ultimately, a painful one.
I believe the NEC in it's latest incarnation is around 800 pages of murky legal text. Your attempt to pick up a code here or there isn't going to protect your EC from himself, and your intrusion (however well intentioned) only serves to antagonize him. There are 1 million reasons to fail inspection, and the EC should be aware of 99% of them.
If your EC fails inspection and you're afraid of the consequences, don't pay him 100% up front!
As a further rebuke, charge him the re-inspection fee. I fail to see the point of your approach. It's like steering a car from the backseat with your big toe blindfolded while mainlining narcotics--makes for an interesting trip, but ultimately, a painful one.
jimwalker
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peter d
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
This thread is doomed anyway.
Probably a good idea.
This thread is doomed anyway.luke warmwater
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Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
I will stick my neck out and say that it is in everyone's best interest for the GC to know a bit about the code and wiring. After all he is responsible for the entire project. He needs to know a bit about all the work, not just carpentry.
I would also think that a competent EC would not object to a question now and then. This should not be an adversarial relationship. Things run a lot smoother when cooperation is the norm.
Unfortunately, one cannot always hire an honest and competent EC. The bad apples show up now and then. The GC must know how to deal with them.
Having said all this, I will also say that perhaps this forum is not the place for such questions, but that is not my call.
I will stick my neck out and say that it is in everyone's best interest for the GC to know a bit about the code and wiring. After all he is responsible for the entire project. He needs to know a bit about all the work, not just carpentry.
I would also think that a competent EC would not object to a question now and then. This should not be an adversarial relationship. Things run a lot smoother when cooperation is the norm.
Unfortunately, one cannot always hire an honest and competent EC. The bad apples show up now and then. The GC must know how to deal with them.
Having said all this, I will also say that perhaps this forum is not the place for such questions, but that is not my call.
pierre
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This is a very touchy subject, and I would venture to say there is no answer that would be common to all of these situations.
There are good ECs and bad ECs, and there are good GCs and bad GCs.
The fact that a GC is looking for info here could be good or bad, we will never really know.
As an inspector, when a GC calls for info, I am skeptical and I ask him many questions first. I generally tell him to try and work it out with his EC, and might even call the EC - this way I will have both sides of the "supposed" story. I rarely will give an answer, but sometimes the GC is honest and wants to know more.
I will say that an honerable GC who knows more about all of the trades on a job is probably the best type to deal with, as he can keep a job running more smoothly than one who has no clue.
This is a very touchy subject, and I would venture to say there is no answer that would be common to all of these situations.
There are good ECs and bad ECs, and there are good GCs and bad GCs.
The fact that a GC is looking for info here could be good or bad, we will never really know.
As an inspector, when a GC calls for info, I am skeptical and I ask him many questions first. I generally tell him to try and work it out with his EC, and might even call the EC - this way I will have both sides of the "supposed" story. I rarely will give an answer, but sometimes the GC is honest and wants to know more.
I will say that an honerable GC who knows more about all of the trades on a job is probably the best type to deal with, as he can keep a job running more smoothly than one who has no clue.
Re: Class 1 near natural gas pipe?
I think it is obvious that it is a good thing for the GC and other trades to know a little bit about the electrical codes and wiring.
If they didn't know anything about the electrical, we would always end up with a hot water heater about 12" in front of the panelboard, and a HVAC duct about 6" above the panel
I see nothing wrong with a GC double checking the EC. What are you guys so afraid of the GC finding out?
Steve
I think it is obvious that it is a good thing for the GC and other trades to know a little bit about the electrical codes and wiring.
If they didn't know anything about the electrical, we would always end up with a hot water heater about 12" in front of the panelboard, and a HVAC duct about 6" above the panel
I see nothing wrong with a GC double checking the EC. What are you guys so afraid of the GC finding out?
Steve
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