Code Compliant or Esthetics?

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electricmanscott said:
Speaking for myself, I would use the appliance wherever there happened to be a receptacle which would be on the counter instead of the island.
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The code doesn't go far enough. We should have to install floor receptacles under the dinning room table location. Also install wire pass-throughs in the table itself.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
The code doesn't go far enough. We should have to install floor receptacles under the dinning room table location. Also install wire pass-throughs in the table itself.
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Can you add coffee-, sofa- and end-tables to that idea as well? ;)
 
Iwire said:
So again I ask how does that accident make running an extension cord safer?
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I don't think it does but in my small hunk of the world people take the path of least resistance if they have 12' of counter top and the required number of outlets spread out to serve it/ them , that is where they will work..
In that code compliant picture ,..there is a single receptacle ,.now what is to stop all those extension cord wielding home owners from plugging the coffee pot into one so they can serve up a hot cup of Joe to go with that nice pie I see there,.. while mixing up the batter for a cake ???

I think there should be an exception to this rule and theirs seems reasonable to me,.. as those draped cords are dangerous.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
The code doesn't go far enough. We should have to install floor receptacles under the dinning room table location. Also install wire pass-throughs in the table itself.
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OK let me get this straight.

Receptacle locations that make sense

  1. Walls
  2. Bathrooms
  3. Counters
  4. Near HVAC equipment
  5. Laundry rooms
  6. The yard
  7. Garages with power
  8. and more

But a receptacle on a kitchen island is stupid......


OK I got it now. :grin:
 
M. D. said:
I think there should be an exception to this rule and theirs seems reasonable to me,.. as those draped cords are dangerous.
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Why would the cord be left plugged in with a toddler around - this wasn't an NEC issue, it was a parenting issue.

Just because the receptacle is on the island doesn't mean in HAS to be used, or a plug HAS to be left plugged in.
 
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LarryFine said:
I was deemed to be a large table, so yes.
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But in reality it was a island, it should have not passed.

This has been an issue for years. Until Inspectors, Cabinet makes,contractors and electricians do there jobs in making these installations code compliant,it will continue.

I do my part not to let this continue to happen, by making the electrician the person responsible for not installing the required receptacle and not passing the final inspection.
 
electricmanscott said:
You guys act like the stinking NEC is the difference between life and death as if you don't do everything to the letter of the book we'll all be killed. In some cases it certainly may be but for crying out loud not having a receptacle on an island is no biggie. In fact having one is probably just as dangerous.
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I have to agree with you. You are so correct it's not even funny. Some of these guys on here are so damn stiff it's a wonder they don't have rigormortis.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
The code doesn't go far enough. We should have to install floor receptacles under the dinning room table location. Also install wire pass-throughs in the table itself.
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Cuckoo.....cuckoo.......
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Seems you live in state that does not care about nec.I hope you never find yourself in court being sued for damages when some little kid gets hurt because you failed to comply with what was required.Your insurance premium will go sky high if you can even get any.Your setting yourself up for a fall.Like it or not we must comply with nec and the inspector must inforce it.Our opinions on it being right matter not.As i said earlier i think this receptacle is a hazard,but i still install them.
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Jim could you please leave 2 spaces after a period before starting your next sentence? <-- Like this. Or this-->. Thanks.
 
iwire said:
OK let me get this straight.

Receptacle locations that make sense
  1. Walls
  2. Bathrooms
  3. Counters
  4. Near HVAC equipment
  5. Laundry rooms
  6. The yard
  7. Garages with power
  8. and more
But a receptacle on a kitchen island is stupid......


OK I got it now. :grin:
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Yeah It is only my opinion but it is stupid. And if someone brews coffee on the island and drapes an extension cords across to the counter then allows a small child run around unattended than they are stupid too (IMO)

Also would like to add that I would try to work with the customer to work around the rule (not break it). The customer may insist the GC find a EC that will give them what the want (within reason).

IMO it should be a design issue.
 
romeo said:
But in reality it was a island, it should have not passed.

This has been an issue for years. Until Inspectors, Cabinet makes,contractors and electricians do there jobs in making these installations code compliant,it will continue.

I do my part not to let this continue to happen, by making the electrician the person responsible for not installing the required receptacle and not passing the final inspection.
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Is there a NEC definition for island? Why can't it be a table?
 
JohnJ0906 said:
Why would the cord be left plugged in with a toddler around - this wasn't an NEC issue, it was a parenting issue..
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so they could take the picture of course :grin:

If you were to ask me ,.government treats us more and more like children every day.:roll:
 
maybe if the house is worth more than a million dollars the NEC should be optional, then you can just wire it with good old common sense
 
mpd said:
maybe if the house is worth more than a million dollars the NEC should be optional, then you can just wire it with good old common sense
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That is far beyond the reach of too many....
 
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