Code Violation

[Sea Nile]

I don't know much compared to a lot of y'all, but is Car Flex the same as liquitite? If you click on the picture and zoom in you can read some writing on the large right raceway/conduit/wireing method? I can't make out what it says but maybe some of you more experienced people recognize it.

 

[LarryFine]

Carflex is LNFC, while Sealtite is LMFC.

 

[jap]

I don't know much compared to a lot of y'all, but is Car Flex the same as liquitite? If you click on the picture and zoom in you can read some writing on the large right raceway/conduit/wireing method? I can't make out what it says but maybe some of you more experienced people recognize it.

Wouldn't bet the farm on it but I'd say it's LMFC (Liquid Tight Metal Flexible Conduit) just by it's appearance.

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[acin]

Wy bother drilling the plate. Just follow the mc and 2 inch pvc

 

[Sea Nile]

Wy bother drilling the plate. Just follow the mc and 2 inch pvc

Probably wanted to keep the number of bends less than 360 degrees. Looks like they routed all of the flexibles around the plate, and the rigids through it.

 

[jap]

Wy bother drilling the plate. Just follow the mc and 2 inch pvc

There is no 2" PVC in the picture.

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[kwired]

I don't think that just because there are trusses that the wall isn't load bearing. It depends on how long the truss is as it may be designed with that wall as a load bearer.

And there may not necessarily be a specific location where load bearing needs to be but rather just a maximum span for any segment of a particular type truss.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

There is no 2" PVC in the picture.

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Yes, but you know what the poster was getting at....

 

[jap]

Yes, but you know what the poster was getting at....

There was not ill intent in my response Dennis.

To follow the 2" PVC as if it was actually rigid would require heating the 1/2" pvc rigid conduits up to make them look even half way presentable to 90 over the top plate is all I was getting at.,,,,

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[infinity]

Carflex is LNFC, while Sealtite is LMFC.

Aren't those just brand names? Sealtite makes both metallic and non-metallic types.

 

[LarryFine]

Aren't those just brand names? Sealtite makes both metallic and non-metallic types.

Yes; I was using the common terminology.

 

[Hv&Lv]

How's about this rule?

300.4(A) Cables and Raceways Through Wood Members.
(1) Bored Holes. In both exposed and concealed locations, where a cable- or raceway-
type wiring method is installed through bored holes in joists, rafters, or wood members,
holes shall be bored so that the edge of the hole is not less than 32 mm (1-1∕4 in.) from
the nearest edge of the wood member. Where this distance cannot be maintained, the
cable or raceway shall be protected from penetration by screws or nails by a steel
plate(s) or bushing(s), at least 1.6 mm (1∕16 in.) thick, and of appropriate length and
width installed to cover the area of the wiring.

That’s good, but look at what I have highlighted.
The wall isn’t structural, so I don’t see an issue.

 

[jap]

I don't see any issues with it either.
They have nail plates installed.

The only thing I keep thinking about is the pvc itself.

Aren't there places that it's not allowed due to the toxic fumes it would put off if the sructure was to catch fire?
Or does that just apply to communication cables installed in a plenum area?

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[kwired]

I don't see any issues with it either.
They have nail plates installed.

The only thing I keep thinking about is the pvc itself.

Aren't there places that it's not allowed due to the toxic fumes it would put off if the sructure was to catch fire?
Or does that just apply to communication cables installed in a plenum area?

Jap.

The plenum issue (not just for communications cables) is one place it can't be used regardless of occupancy type.

The other is art 518 - places of assembly.

 

[jap]

The plenum issue (not just for communications cables) is one place it can't be used regardless of occupancy type.

The other is art 518 - places of assembly.

Are there any issues with running PVC inside a dwelling unit or commercial project for that matter if it's not a plenum issue?

Just seems odd every time I see PVC runs inside a building but may just be a personal problem for me.

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[Electrical Geek]

Notching and Boring - IBC Section 2308 & IRC R502.8 - R802.7.2 Joists, Studs, Rafters, and Beams Notching should be avoided when possible, and holes bored in beams and joists create the same problems as notches. When necessary, the holes should be located in areas with the least stress concentration, generally along the neutral axis of the joist. Limitations on the allowable cutting and notching of wood floor joists are meant to retain structural or functional integrity. IBC 2308.8.2 Framing details. Joists shall be supported laterally at the ends and at each support by solid blocking except where the ends of the joists are nailed to a header, band or rim joist or to an adjoining stud or by other means. Solid blocking shall not be less than 2 inches (51mm) in thickness and the full depth of the joist. Notches on the ends of joists shall not exceed one-fourth the joist depth. Holes bored in joists shall not be within 2 inches (51 mm) of the top or bottom of the joist, and the diameter of any such hole shall not exceed one-third the depth of the joist. Notches in the top or bottom of joists shall not exceed one-sixth the depth and shall not be located in the middle third of the span. R502.8 Drilling and notching. Structural floor members shall not be cut, bored or notched in excess of the limitations specified in this section. See Figure R502.8. R502.8.1 Sawn lumber. Notches in solid lumber joists, rafters and beams shall not exceed one-sixth of the depth of the member, shall not be longer than one-third of the depth of the member and shall not be located in the middle one-third of the span. Notches at the ends of the member shall not exceed one-fourth the depth of the member. The tension side of members 4 inches (102 mm) or greater in nominal thickness shall not be notched except at the ends of the members. The diameter of holes bored or cut into members shall not exceed one-third the depth of the member. Holes shall not be closer than 2 inches (51 mm) to the top or bottom of the member, or to any other hole located in the member. Where the member is also notched, the hole shall not be closer than 2 inches (51 mm) to the notch. R502.8.2 Engineered wood products. Cuts, notches and holes bored in trusses, laminated veneer lumber, gluelaminated members or I-joists are not permitted unless the effects of such penetrations are specifically considered in the design of the member. R602.6 Drilling and notching - studs. Any stud in an exterior wall or bearing partition may be cut or notched to a depth not exceeding 25 percent of its width. Studs in nonbearing partitions may be notched to a depth not to exceed 40 percent of a single stud width. Any stud may be bored or drilled, provided that the diameter of the resulting hole is no greater than 40 percent of the stud width, the edge of the hole is no closer than 5/8 inch (15.9 mm) to the edge of the stud, and the hole is not located in the same section as a cut or notch. See Figures R602.6(1) and R602.6(2). Exceptions: 1. A stud may be bored to a diameter not exceeding 60 percent of its width, provided that such studs located in exterior walls or bearing partitions are doubled and that not more than two successive studs are bored. 2. Approved stud shoes may be used when installed in accordance with the manufacturers recommendation. R602.6.1 Drilling and notching of top plate. When piping or ductwork is placed in or partly in an exterior wall or interior load-bearingwall, necessitating cutting, drilling or notching of the top plate by more than 50 percent of its width, a galvanized metal tie of not less than 0.054 inches thick (1.37mm) (16ga) and 11/2 inches (38mm) wide shall be fastened to each plate across and to each side of the opening with not less than eight 16d nails at each side or equivalent. See Figure R602.6.1. Exception: When the entire side of the wall with the notch or cut is covered by wood structural panel sheathing R802.7 Cutting and notching. Structural roof members shall not be cut, bored or notched in excess of the limitations specified in this section. R802.7.1 Sawn lumber. Notches in solid lumber joists, rafters and beams shall not exceed one-sixth of the depth of the member, shall not be longer than one-third of the depth of the member and shall not be located in the middle one-third of the span. Notches at the ends of the member shall not exceed one-fourth the depth of the member. The tension side of members 4 inches (102 mm) or greater in nominal thickness shall not be notched except at the ends of the members. The diameter of the holes bored or cut into members shall not exceed one-third the depth of the member. Holes shall not be closer than 2 inches (51mm) to the top or bottom of the member, or to any other hole located in the member. Where the member is also notched, the hole shall not be closer than inches (51 mm) to the notch. Exception: Notches on cantilevered portions of rafters are permitted provided the dimension of the remaining portion of the rafter is not less than 4-inch nominal 102 mm) and the length of the cantilever does not exceed 24 inches (610 mm). R802.7.2 Engineered wood products. Cuts, notches and holes bored in trusses, structural composite lumber, structural glue-laminated members or I-joists are prohibited except where permitted by the manufacturer’s recommendations or where the effects of such alterations are specifically considered in the design of the member by a registered design professional.

 

[Electrical Geek]

I don't know how to copy the diagram but it shows the holes through wood members being within the middle third of the board.

 

[mtnelect]

Electrical Wiring - Residential, bored holes.

 

[mtnelect]

Electrical Wiring - Residential, Cables

 

[jap]

Electrical Wiring - Residential, Cables

Where are these captions being taken from?

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