Condensing unit noise

Maybe I should clarify something. What is slugging? An industry term for liquid making it back on the suction of compressor. When liquid gets in a scroll, it is way more dense than a gas, causing an imbalance, thus noise. Then stupid techs say the noise is normal. TF it is! It is true there is a slight buzz to a scroll. Normal. Noises that come and go, not normal usually.
It would also have to pass through the compressor without changing loading of the compressor or input current should change. Liquid going through a compressor is like having a positive displacement pump. But here there is likely still enough gas in the mix to keep it from becoming too extreme compression wise.
 
The sound must entirely be coming from the refrigeration circuit then. Any change in sound from the motor likely is because of change of load on it, or a change of input voltage which should ultimately change the load as well.
Have no idea why the voltage would be a consideration. Again, chasing this on the electrical side is ridiculous. Install the proper sensors and check the refrigeration cycle.
 
I don't know what the OP is hearing it could be a buzzing contactor. They get dirt in them and a little rust and they can buzz. But that noise is usually steady but the OP mentioned tapping the contactor so that is a possible problem.

As far as what @fastline mentioned he is correct that most techs "gas & go" and as a result the unit may not have the correct charge. They don't spend time looking for leaks which they should do.

A unit with correct charge and clean coils and filters and the correct airflow (no undersized ducts) can last 30 or 40 years with some regular maintenance.

And as @fastline mentioned compressor amps is only one piece of the puzzle. The tech has to look at superheat, subcooling and operating temp and pressures.

The compressor motor is cooled by the suction gas so if things are not right the compressor will suffer.. Scroll compressors are rotation sensitive, not an issue with single phase.

We had a new job where the GC wanted cooling and fired up 15 3 phase scroll compressors without having HVAC check them an expensive mistake. he was about 1/2 right and 1/2 wrong.

If the rotation is wrong the compressor will draw low amps and will not pump and will fail after a few min of run time.
 
Have no idea why the voltage would be a consideration. Again, chasing this on the electrical side is ridiculous. Install the proper sensors and check the refrigeration cycle.
It would change how much current the motor draws. I'll admit I probably don't know enough about this "slugging" and how it may effect loading of the compressor, but I do understand motors and an induction motor motor will change current draw if either the volts, frequency, or driven load changes. this slugging sure sounds like it should change the driven load, even if only slightly for a short time but maybe it is minor enough that it is not easy to measure without more sensitive equipment? Liquids don't compress, but if there is still gas surrounding it then it would just compress that gas to more extent than if there were no liquid within it. I could see this being a lesser issue with a scroll compressor than a piston compressor but it still is likely to increase input power needed to some extent during the time it occurs.
 
Slugging is when liquid gets back to the compressor. This can be cause by dirty air filter, dirty evaporator, overcharge, defective metering devise passing too much liquid etc. Compressors are only made to pump gas. Any liquid will have the potential to crash the compressor....trying to compress an incompressible liquid.

The noise is unmistakable and is the kind of noise that would tell even a no HVAC person to "shut it off"
 
It would change how much current the motor draws. I'll admit I probably don't know enough about this "slugging" and how it may effect loading of the compressor, but I do understand motors and an induction motor motor will change current draw if either the volts, frequency, or driven load changes. this slugging sure sounds like it should change the driven load, even if only slightly for a short time but maybe it is minor enough that it is not easy to measure without more sensitive equipment? Liquids don't compress, but if there is still gas surrounding it then it would just compress that gas to more extent than if there were no liquid within it. I could see this being a lesser issue with a scroll compressor than a piston compressor but it still is likely to increase input power needed to some extent during the time it occurs.
You seem very hung up on your theories. I suggest you go try that out and report back. Tell any HVAC guy that you "confirmed slugging by seeing higher amps on the compressor". They will all get a good laugh. You can't!
 
Slugging is when liquid gets back to the compressor. This can be cause by dirty air filter, dirty evaporator, overcharge, defective metering devise passing too much liquid etc. Compressors are only made to pump gas. Any liquid will have the potential to crash the compressor....trying to compress an incompressible liquid.

The noise is unmistakable and is the kind of noise that would tell even a no HVAC person to "shut it off"
As you are probably aware, there are different levels of slugging. Very minor to very major. Sometimes superheat will indicate major concerns, yet there are no noises. Some noises are indeed confirmed from a bad compressor, bad isolators, etc.
 
Thank you guys for all the help!

I'm still on vacation, but I'll contact another tech I am friends with and run some of this hvac jargon past him and see if he can help me out.

Fastline, you mentioned that I may have a plugged coil. How does one remedy such an issue? It just so happens that the tech added leak stop to the system after charging it. Maybe this solution caused this issue??
 
Thank you guys for all the help!

I'm still on vacation, but I'll contact another tech I am friends with and run some of this hvac jargon past him and see if he can help me out.

Fastline, you mentioned that I may have a plugged coil. How does one remedy such an issue? It just so happens that the tech added leak stop to the system after charging it. Maybe this solution caused this issue??
I think he was talking about the air side of the coil
 
Thank you Eddie!

Okay, I see what you mean. I thought the coils were pretty clean, as I hose it down once I see those fins getting clogged. But, he did use a coil cleaner regardless, as that's something he always does when servicing a unit.
 
Thank you Eddie!

Okay, I see what you mean. I thought the coils were pretty clean, as I hose it down once I see those fins getting clogged. But, he did use a coil cleaner regardless, as that's something he always does when servicing a unit.
No, what you missed in my posts is the word "EVAP", as in evaporator coil. As in the one indoors that you totally ignore, and all techs do too. It is pointless to even attempt to look at it unless it is easy and you know what to look for. Otherwise pressures and temps in the system will tell the story.

As for the stop leak, blah! That ain't even cool! That right there can clog a TXV, and certainly cause slugging. That should always be a last resort in a system because it usually destroys them rather than fixes them. Consider it like the "experimental injection" for an illness that is terminal.
 
You seem very hung up on your theories. I suggest you go try that out and report back. Tell any HVAC guy that you "confirmed slugging by seeing higher amps on the compressor". They will all get a good laugh. You can't!
I don't think I ever said anything about confirming slugging by seeing higher amps. I certainly did not intend that if I did or was misunderstood. My thoughts on this were that slugging likely should put more load on the compressor and if so should increase amp draw. That is how induction motors work the more torque is being demanded the more input current they draw.

This slugging apparently doesn't load the motor like I think it would and the sound that was mentioned way back early in the thread probably is sound in the refrigerant circuit more so than sound being made by the motor itself if it this is what is happening. That said I find it hard to believe it doesn't change the load on the motor at all just might not be all that significant of a change, liquids will not compress and that should have some effect in how the compressor is loaded. Small amounts of liquid within a considerable volume of gas may not be to big of a factor. Even an air compressor has to deal with this as moisture in the air will condense as the air is compressed.
 
I don't think I ever said anything about confirming slugging by seeing higher amps. I certainly did not intend that if I did or was misunderstood. My thoughts on this were that slugging likely should put more load on the compressor and if so should increase amp draw. That is how induction motors work the more torque is being demanded the more input current they draw.

This slugging apparently doesn't load the motor like I think it would and the sound that was mentioned way back early in the thread probably is sound in the refrigerant circuit more so than sound being made by the motor itself if it this is what is happening. That said I find it hard to believe it doesn't change the load on the motor at all just might not be all that significant of a change, liquids will not compress and that should have some effect in how the compressor is loaded. Small amounts of liquid within a considerable volume of gas may not be to big of a factor. Even an air compressor has to deal with this as moisture in the air will condense as the air is compressed.
I brought up slugging as only a 'potential' source of noise. However, all I am trying to tell you as someone with countless belt notches in the field, the current of a compressor is DYNAMIC. As in, it's all over the place depending on load conditions, and you cannot begin to 'predict' any level of current as being an indicator of flood back. This is why we use pressure/temp sensors, not an amp meter, to detect the concern.
 
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