Convoluted service upgrade

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New panel has a new SER ran, and it's sticking out the wall under tge 200a main
Can it be rerouted to existing 200 amp main panel? Change that existing main breaker by the meter to a 200 amp panel with feed through lugs and add a 100 amp breaker to connect the 100 amp feeder? This of course not considering what you may need for transfer equipment, but at same time if you want manual transfer could also put interlock kit in said panel and add a back feed breaker from generator .
 
Generac makes these relay modules that simply detect the less than perfect frequency and shut the load off. They might be good to use in a couple spots and then you could just use like a 15 KW-is Genny. Generac smart management module I believe it's called if you want to check it out.
Nice. Thanks.
 
Not if they have the hot tub and steam shower going
And, do those items need to be available for use while on generator power?

What about the clothes dryer? Cooking appliances? Everything?

You do realize that 300a = 72kva (@ 240v), right?
 
Not if they have the hot tub and steam shower going
Those items may justify more than 200 amp service. At same time if using those items other loads maybe are not as high, unless maybe it is a large family - a reality factor kind of kicks in to some degree regardless of what load calculations say and I have seen a lot of things of this nature that never cause tripping of a 200 amp main breaker. But every application has it's details.

You could possibly even go with the feedthrough panel like I mentioned and put the ATS in the 200 amp feed through feeder and not transfer the 100 amp feeder if there are no loads there that are desired to be transferred.
 
And, do those items need to be available for use while on generator power?

What about the clothes dryer? Cooking appliances?

You do realize that 300a = 72kva right?
Yeah I know it would be a huge generator.
They don't need those items, but if the transfer switch changes over automatically it all has to be included
 
And, do those items need to be available for use while on generator power?

What about the clothes dryer? Cooking appliances? Everything?

You do realize that 300a = 72kva (@ 240v), right?
And POCO probably supplying this with a 25 or 37.5 transformer. If larger is probably supplying other customers at same time.
 
They don't need those items, but if the transfer switch changes over automatically it all has to be included
That's exactly what I'm trying to help you avoid. You really should sit down with the customer and choose loads.
 
In tight spots I would go to the supply house. Measure the panels, ATS, etc... Then cut them out of cardboard and nail them up temporarily.
This also works on new construction for stub outs before the siding goes up. Then I would know exactly where to put my stub outs to come right in the knockouts behind the panels.
 
In tight spots I would go to the supply house. Measure the panels, ATS, etc... Then cut them out of cardboard and nail them up temporarily.
This also works on new construction for stub outs before the siding goes up. Then I would know exactly where to put my stub outs to come right in the knockouts behind the panels.
More like, look up dimensions on product you desire to use, because the supply house won't have any in stock to measure ;)
 
More like, look up dimensions on product you desire to use, because the supply house won't have any in stock to measure ;)
Yep, those were the good ole days. You could just walk right past the counter help to the warehouse, pull it off the shelf and measure it.
 
Yep, those were the good ole days. You could just walk right past the counter help to the warehouse, pull it off the shelf and measure it.
I used to be able to rob parts out of items in stock and they would reinstall the replacement when it came in. Not really happening anymore.
 
Had a good chat with @LarryFine on the phone earlier today. Good input. Thanks, brother

And I think I've got a lead on a 26kw generator that comes with a service rated ATS - thanks @electrofelon for the mention of the Smart Management Modules. Now to convince the customer that roughing it means no hot tub and no steam shower 🥴

Thanks for all the input
 
Had a good chat with @LarryFine on the phone earlier today. Good input. Thanks, brother
You're welcome. We went over such things as hole-sawing between panels to relocate generator circuits to one panel, how to fit one ATS and one disconnect in the wall-space, how to explain options to the customer, etc.

I recommended providing an estimate for a full-capacity system with a 400a ATS and 70-75kw genny, as well as a realistic system with only one panel serving loads that really can't wait for normal power to be restored.

I also suggested sitting with the customer and going over every circuit, and assign each to one of three columns: Definitely on the genny, Definitely not on the genny, and Optional depending on leftover capacity or space.

One thing I didn't bring up was the additional gas volume required for either size. A larger generator increases the likelihood that the existing gas line and meter will have to be up-sized to provide the necessary BTU for the genny.

And I think I've got a lead on a 26kw generator that comes with a service rated ATS - thanks @electrofelon for the mention of the Smart Management Modules. Now to convince the customer that roughing it means no hot tub and no steam shower 🥴
Well, there's your 100a emergency capacity. You could either supply the 100a panel and avoid load-shedding if you can narrow down the generator list far enough, or supply just the 200a panel and incorporate load-shedding.

I think that's the perfect compromise in capacity selection would recommend avoiding trying to supply both panels, i..e. the entire house, on a 26kw generator. The customer is more likely to expect everything to work like normal.
 
One thing I didn't bring up was the additional gas volume required for either size. A larger generator increases the likelihood that the existing gas line and meter will have to be up-sized to provide the necessary BTU for the genny.
I looked up a chart earlier to find the gas supply size for various generators. Likely 1.5" or 2" for 50-60kw generator.

Most gas lines here are only 1 inch from the street. That would add a very substantial cost.

 
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