Counter Top Outlets in Kitchens

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So if my garage is 48" wide then I will need a receptacle in front of it even though I have the proper 48" maximum receptacle spacing along the wall?
 
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Everyone knows that cars never make it into the garage.So just fill it with stuff.Like maybe blenders ,toasters,etc. :p

[ December 03, 2005, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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If the appliance garage is 60 in. then that area is exempt from required receptacles.Jim Yes you are correct there is no requirement for any receptacles within an appliance garage and if they are there any they don`t have to be gfci protected .I do it as a courtesy for the home owner.If they have that type of kitchen in that type of house I have already been paid for it twice fold.It`s just when you nit pick about receps. in front of an appliance garage within 12 in and all that.I wonder where else are you going to start your measurements ????? It has been an industry standard that the counter top measurement starts from the rear back corner.I`m just waiting for the one person that starts the measurment from the front edge and then to the corner and then the counter top !!!!!2008 is to late but you might see it in the 11 cycle :roll:
 
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Maybe someone smarter than I can put in a change for 2008. to clear things up. the code is not clear on this. and as cabnet lay out gets more complex with wall cabnet sections coming down to the base cabnets. with drawers, spice racks and all kinds of neat stuff I can't aford. makes it hard to figure out how to treat the 12" in frount of these sections.
 
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"I`m just waiting for the one person that starts the measurment from the front edge and then to the corner and then the counter top !!!!!2008 is to late but you might see it in the 11 cycle "
Before 2011 nec gets out i will be retired.Probably before even 08 :D :D :D :D

[ December 03, 2005, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: jimwalker ]
 
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That's a good ideal I need to carry one around in the truck. better than my plan to build a battery operated cut-in receptacle that would make the inspectors tester light up :D

[ December 03, 2005, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: wyatt ]
 
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Well I just heard a vicious rumor that I just started that the Code Panel was going to order that all cabinets whether in the kitchen or not was going to be required to have plug mold with receptacles six inches on center installed on them even if the cabinets are not going to be installed.

I also heard that this vicious rumor that I started was going to require all cabinets to have lights installed in, on and above them with the ones on top being a pull chain keyless.

This vicious rumor that I heard that I started was going to require that every kitchen was to have a two car appliance garage and a chicken in every refrigerator.
:D :D :D
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
No.You do not need to even count the area in front of the garage.Treat the garage as if it was a sink.
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So since the garage is not wall space it therefore does not count as wall space and a receptacle is only required with in 24" of the both sides of the garage?
 
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So anyway I don't know if this will have any bearing on the subject or not, but I have seen an appliance garage that was used to house a bunch of cookbooks only , and no appliances stored in there at all.
 
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Originally posted by wyatt:
Maybe someone smarter than I can put in a change for 2008. to clear things up. the code is not clear on this. and as cabnet lay out gets more complex with wall cabnet sections coming down to the base cabnets. with drawers, spice racks and all kinds of neat stuff I can't aford. makes it hard to figure out how to treat the 12" in frount of these sections.
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Wyatt, the code is clear, it says wall space.
A cabinet that comes all the way down to the counter top is not wall space.
 
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Originally posted by infinity:
So since the garage is not wall space it therefore does not count as wall space and a receptacle is only required with in 24" of the both sides of the garage?
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Correct
 
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"So anyway I don't know if this will have any bearing on the subject or not, but I have seen an appliance garage that was used to house a bunch of cookbooks only , and no appliances stored in there at all. "

To be a garage does it require a car be inside of it ?
Now let me throw another question out there.Does this garage need be screwed down to count or could it simply be shown on the stamped print ? ;)
 
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Now let me throw another question out there.Does this garage need be screwed down to count or could it simply be shown on the stamped print ?
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Around here it wouldn't matter if it were on a print or not. But it would have to be installed at the final inspection.
 
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Originally posted by macmikeman:
So anyway I don't know if this will have any bearing on the subject or not, but I have seen an appliance garage that was used to house a bunch of cookbooks only , and no appliances stored in there at all.
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I'm glad you said that, because I was wondering what the heck somebody was thinking in buying an appliance garage and not wanting a receptacle inside it.

This thread is interesting. The term "wall counter space" appeared on page 1, and I was waiting with baited breath the whole time I got up to speed, until Scott finally cleared it up. :D
 
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Originally posted by jimwalker:
"I agree with Scott, and my take is that the nearest receptacle on each side of the garage need only be within 12 inches of it, no matter how wide it is."

I must ask how you figure 12 inches.I agrre on his opinion that the space in front would not count but then that would mean that i could go as far as 24 inches from the garage to first receptacle. :confused:
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My bad. I had numbers fighting for attention in my brain.

Yes, change my statement to read "24 inches to each side"
 
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