Countertop receptacles on or above

[LarryFine]

So these would not be compliant?



While looking for those, I happened upon these:

 

[Little Bill]

So these would not be compliant?

I believe the premise of the rule was to keep kids from pulling on the cords and causing crock pots, coffee pots, etc. off on them and scalding them.

 

[retirede]

When the countertop company came to install the top he told the homeowner that he wouldn't recommend cutting a hole in the stone for the pop-up because it would weaken the stone and might break.

That’s total BS. Almost every countertop I’ve seen (including mine) have holes drilled in them for faucets and air switches.

 

[rambojoe]

So we have a bunch of smart folk here. How about we come up with a reasonable way to install outlets on the side of the island and prevent the hazard of kids snagging cords?

My thought has been to require a some sort of mechanical cord chase to guide the cords to the countertop. This could be as simple as some sort of decorative bridle rings. Maybe require semi-recessed angled receptacles so that the cords point up toward the countertop rather than out away from the countertop.

It seems to me that a real safety problem has been identified, but that solutions are possible without eliminating the benefits of island receptacles and without forcing the most expensive counter top solutions.

How about banning electricity if kids live in the house?

 

[kwired]

The way it's worded an outlet installed to serve the work surface must be above the work surface, yet there is no requirement to have one at all serving an island or peninsula, though provisions need to be provided to add one if ever desired to have one serving the counter top.

There is nothing that says you can not put receptacles on the side of the island or peninsula, they just don't count as serving the counter top - even if placed just below the counter top.

May not have been the intention but is what it says.

 

[electrofelon]

Oddly, I've never had the need for a receptacle outlet on my island.
My mixer, air fryer, toaster, coffee pot, etc.. is plugged in on the counter.
All we use the island for is to set the food on after it's prepared.

Jap>

Yeah, in all my travels I rarely see anything plugged into Island receptacles other than phones chargers.

 

[ActionDave]

I don't have a receptacle in my island. I prewired for one but never got around to installing it and as time went by nobody noticed. Then theres the trend where islands in kitchens are on wheels so those dont get recepts. I think it's a design issue and should be left out of the code.

 

[fishin' electrician]

Sounds to me like the NFPA should spend 3 years discussing changes and improvements to their process before they continue making ' so called' changes to mine.

 

[infinity]

Yeah, in all my travels I rarely see anything plugged into Island receptacles other than phones chargers.

That's because people rarely leave something plugged in and sitting on an island. I use my island receptacle several times a week but I don't leave the toaster or vacuum sealer sitting out on the island 24/7. They remain in a cabinet until they're being used. Same thing would apply to a blender, food processor, etc.

 

[roger]

That's because people rarely leave something plugged in and sitting on an island. I use my island receptacle several times a week but I don't leave the toaster or vacuum sealer sitting out on the island 24/7. They remain in a cabinet until they're being used. Same thing would apply to a blender, food processor, etc.

Same here. The air fryer, toaster, and slow cooker are only there during their use.
I know this doesn't negate all dangers but most modern fryers and slow cookers use break away connections.

 

[garbo]

From what I remember reading the NEC stopped allowing receptacles to be mounted on side of islands was due to young kids & even adults catching on the cord and pulling over a hot container. Now with life time liability laws I would never install such a receptacle even if customer paid me in cash. The pop up receptacles are a much safer choice.

 

[infinity]

From what I remember reading the NEC stopped allowing receptacles to be mounted on side of islands was due to young kids & even adults catching on the cord and pulling over a hot container. Now with life time liability laws I would never install such a receptacle even if customer paid me in cash. The pop up receptacles are a much safer choice.

Depending on what code cycle you're on you could be permitted install the receptacle on the side of the island. I would bet that many people dislike the pop-up style receptacles cut into the countertop.

 

[kec]

Not many homeowners around here would not like a tombstone or pop up outlet cut into their stone countertop. This should be left to the homeowner to manage or except the liability of having cords hanging over the counter.

 

[kwired]

From what I remember reading the NEC stopped allowing receptacles to be mounted on side of islands

Nothing I read disallows them on the side. They did change what receptacles are required as well as made it somewhat optional to have the required ones.

As worded if the receptacle is intended to serve the countertop it must be in or above the counter top and no longer allowed to be below the countertop.

 

[infinity]

Nothing I read disallows them on the side. They did change what receptacles are required as well as made it somewhat optional to have the required ones.

As worded if the receptacle is intended to serve the countertop it must be in or above the counter top and no longer allowed to be below the countertop.

So how far below the countertop on the side of the island would render the receptacle as not one of the "Receptacle outlets, if installed to serve an island or peninsular countertop or work surface"?

 

[kwired]

So how far below the countertop on the side of the island would render the receptacle as not one of the "Receptacle outlets, if installed to serve an island or peninsular countertop or work surface"?

Anything below because of the way they worded it. They have no wording that prohibits having outlets below the top of the counter, just wording that says if the outlet is intended to serve the countertop space it must be in/on or above.

Then they say you don't necessarily need to have any outlets serving the counter top, but need provisions to be able to add one. No reason IMO that one couldn't extend from the one on the side if you ever wanted one on top - so for now one on the side should still be acceptable. Might not be what they intended but complies with what they ended up printing.

 

[infinity]

Anything below because of the way they worded it. They have no wording that prohibits having outlets below the top of the counter, just wording that says if the outlet is intended to serve the countertop space it must be in/on or above.

So 6" below the countertop and I just tell the inspector they didn't want any receptacles to serve the island countertop? I mentioned this a few months ago in another thread where the wording should say any receptacle below a given distance from the island countertop is NOT serving the countertop. The old code versions used 12" so it should give an explicit measurement.

 

[jap]

That’s total BS. Almost every countertop I’ve seen (including mine) have holes drilled in them for faucets and air switches.

Were they actually drilled on site or were they manufactured with the holes?

Jap>

 

[jap]

Same here. The air fryer, toaster, and slow cooker are only there during their use.
I know this doesn't negate all dangers but most modern fryers and slow cookers use break away connections.

The only break away connection my old air fryer has would be if it fell off the counter full of French fries the weight of it might possibly jerk the cord out of receptacle,,,, but, I doubt it.

Jap>

 

[roger]

The only break away connection my old air fryer has would be if it fell off the counter full of French fries the weight of it might possibly jerk the cord out of receptacle,,,, but, I doubt it.

Jap>

I don't think air fryers have the same safety rules as deep fryers.