Craigslist in Greenville, SC...rant time....

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bikeindy said:
Why do you assume he is lazy?!
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Simple, if the area requires electricians to be licensed and this person aspires to be an electrician but can not find the time to take the test he is IMO lazy.

may be he spends his extra time with his family he may enjoy taking his kids to a ball game or camping
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And the best way for that to happen more often is to get the needed license so his pay will increase.


I applaude this guy he isin't lazy and doesn't waste time reading posts on line from people that don't really know what they are talking about anyway.
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LOL :grin:

I do agree that the license does not make the person a better a electrician but it does mean they are responsible enough to follow the laws and have made a real commitment to the line of work they chose.

Much like choosing a contractor that has all the right liability insurance and workers comp does not mean they are better electricians but it does say something about their priorities and responsibility.
 
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powerslave said:
I think I know what you mean but unfortunately that's life. The more schooling, certifications and licenses you hold in your field, the farther you are going to get. If someone makes the decision to spend more time with his family I applaud him. He chose his family over his career and that in itself is not wrong. But the guy who decides to take the exam and further his career is going to be rewarded for it at the work place. Even if his family life suffers for it.
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Yeah we got lots and lots of people out there like that, all kinds of certificates and "book knowledge" they don't do much but screw things up for people. They climb the ladder at work not the one where real work is done the one that get change in their pocket then they find all kinds of ways to knock the rungs off on their way up so less people can follow them. I wonder if Thomas Edison had a License to do electrical work or a high school diploma. Nope. yet you all have your jobs due in large part to him. We can argue AC vs DC later. oh thats right westinghouse had deeper pockets.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
OK, now there's an example of a licensed electrician taken to task for shoddy workmanship.

Did you catch this part of the story?

"Trade organizations said the case was the first in which an electrician had been held criminally liable for a death arising from his work. The judge also called the case singular."

Which I think agrees with my position. His license did not ensure a job done properly, and he was further permitted to continue carrying (it was granted during the trial) a journeyman's license.

I liken this issue to the same fallacy that driver's licences promote : that posession of a driver's license somehow makes the roads safer. I say it doesn't, that like trade licenses, it simply regulates, restricts, and taxes the public.
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I find myself on the same side of an arguement with you and it scares me. LOL
 
bikeindy said:
I wonder if Thomas Edison had a License to do electrical work or a high school diploma. Nope. yet you all have your jobs due in large part to him. We can argue AC vs DC later. oh thats right westinghouse had deeper pockets.
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I've never been very impressed with Edison or Westinghouse however, I have great respect for Tesla

Roger
 
bikeindy said:
I don't have that problem because it is still the state of Indiana not the Peoples Republic of Indiana.

There is only one city in Indiana that even requires a licensed JM to be on the job site so in that city I am there with my guys working but we aren't there much.

I am the business owner and if I say a guy can do the work than it is my call.

I am waiting for you guys to start calling for burger flippers at McDonalds to have some kind of license after all they handle your food. Is it not enough that the owner hold a license? How much government intrusion will you accept? how much do you want from them? I want them shut down.
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Okay, I accept your apology. I have to work those with a state license, therefore I pay a license guy more, so no shame on me. It's the State of Oklahoma and it's the law. So, if a guy with 10 years experience hasn't passed the 4 year apprentice test, then lower pay is an incentive for him to retake the test.
 
LawnGuyLandSparky said:
That is patently false. Elected representitives don't necessarily represent the masses. Nor do legislators legislate by popular demand.
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Then why do people continue to elect them?


The problem with your solution for those who don't like the law is that those who don't benefit from the law are not part of an organized group, and those who benefit most from the law are.
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If you read the rest of my posts, you'll see that I was being kind of facetious. Laws are not created for anyone's benefit, except the benefit of those who pass them.
There is no such thing as a good Government. Governments only concern is it's own preservation and expansion. This is it's nature.

Have to go write a report, thanks for conversation everyone!
 
Minuteman said:
Okay, I accept your apology. I have to work those with a state license, therefore I pay a license guy more, so no shame on me. It's the State of Oklahoma and it's the law. So, if a guy with 10 years experience hasn't passed the 4 year apprentice test, then lower pay is an incentive for him to retake the test.
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I didn't apoligize, If a guy is making you money he should be paid for his production just because a guy has a license doesn't mean he is accomplishing more for you. But I understand your basic reasoning. The law is easily changed.

I have to wonder what law is going to be passed before people wll realize they are being enslaved.

I'm sorry grandma I have to shoot you, your 69 and its the law.
 
bikeindy said:
Yeah we got lots and lots of people out there like that, all kinds of certificates and "book knowledge" they don't do much but screw things up for people. They climb the ladder at work not the one where real work is done the one that get change in their pocket then they find all kinds of ways to knock the rungs off on their way up so less people can follow them. I wonder if Thomas Edison had a License to do electrical work or a high school diploma. Nope. yet you all have your jobs due in large part to him. We can argue AC vs DC later. oh thats right westinghouse had deeper pockets.
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I'm just saying whether you like it or not, that's the way it is.

Edison spent all his time working and very little time with his family.
 
The more liberal politically a state is, the greater the regulation of business. I happen to live in a liberal region, therefore, the regulation is immense. That's just how it is, but when you live and grow up in one place it's hard to leave.
 
peter d said:
The more liberal politically a state is, the greater the regulation of business. I happen to live in a liberal region, therefore, the regulation is immense. That's just how it is, but when you live and grow up in one place it's hard to leave.
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You need to move to PA, where people mind their own business and keep their nose out of yours. I have a spare futon. :)
 
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