Craigslist in Greenville, SC...rant time....

[Minuteman]

Your the one with the eagle and the flag.

I did my time in the service. Now I will do my part to see that the principals that it was founded for will stand instead of just waving it all the time.

I did my time too. USAF 3rd Combat Communications Group, 304X0, Wideband TeleCommunications (Microwave).

I'm ready for the Revolution. I didn't choose the handle "Minuteman" because I'm quick.

 

[peter d]

Sorry. That's crossing some kind of line.

I'll just have to bring my own then.

 

[powerslave]

What a great way to think. Glad some patriots didn't think that way 233 years ago.

What ever, Dude.:roll:

You might want to get some extra sleep tonight so you can start your revolution bright and early tomorrow.:grin:

 

[bikeindy]

You need to move to PA, where people mind their own business and keep their nose out of yours. I have a spare futon.

since we are off topic anyway, I just got back from PA and was wondering the relationship btween Counties, Bouroghs, townships, villages and cities there it seemed i was crossing some kind of line every couple miles, yous guys (in a Philly acsent) have a sign for everything.

 

[mdshunk]

since we are off topic anyway, I just got back from PA and was wondering the relationship btween Counties, Bouroghs, townships, villages and cities there it seemed i was crossing some kind of line every couple miles, yous guys (in a Philly acsent) have a sign for everything.

The state is divided into counties. The county contains townships, villages, boroughs, towns, and cities. A borough and city is a stand-alone local entity within the county, and are functionally identical. A township is a cooperative form of local government for numerous smaller villiages and towns who are each too small to have their own local government. For instance, I used to live in the state of PA, county of Franklin, township of Guilford, in the villiage of Fayetteville. My local tax went to Guilford Township, since the villiage of Fayetteville only existed as a dot on a map and had no government of its own.

 

[bikeindy]

I did my time too. USAF 3rd Combat Communications Group, 304X0, Wideband TeleCommunications (Microwave).

I'm ready for the Revolution. I didn't choose the handle "Minuteman" because I'm quick.

Me I was a 455x0B, 455x0A, Sensor troop. Airframes worked: RF-4C, F4-E, F-4G, F15, F16, A-10, AC-130, C-141A, TR-1 (U2), too many locations and units to list here.

 

[mdshunk]

Me I was a 455x0B, 455x0A, Sensor troop. Airframes worked: RF-4C, F4-E, F-4G, F15, F16, A-10, AC-130, C-141A, TR-1 (U2), too many locations and units to list here.

Ever work on the OU812 ?

 

[benaround]

Yet, the real 'hacks' the real killers, are not working out of their trunks, they

are on jobs where trades requiring licenses have men highly experenced and

proud license holders, Inspectors roam these jobs daily, many times Engineers

are on site full time. How could it get any better/safer than this ?

Sports areans collapse, cranes 500' tall fall over, concrete decks plummet,

bridges fall, levies break, people die.

 

[bikeindy]

The state is divided into counties. The county contains townships, villages, boroughs, towns, and cities. A borough and city is a stand-alone local entity within the county, and are functionally identical. A township is a cooperative form of local government for numerous smaller villiages and towns who are each too small to have their own local government. For instance, I used to live in the state of PA, county of Franklin, township of Guilford, in the villiage of Fayetteville. My local tax went to Guilford Township, since the villiage of Fayetteville only existed as a dot on a map and had no government of its own.

Thats kind of what I thought, we have counties townships towns and cities, our townships are to counties as counties are to the State. Our towns have a town council and no tax authority, our cities have a mayor and council and have limited tax authority.

too bad its enough tax authority to get you one of these.

 

[bikeindy]

Ever work on the OU812 ?

Yeah one of the nick names for an F-16, lawn dart is another good nick name for an F-16

 

[George Stolz]

Marc, I have a hard time reconciling your approval of code changes (aka laws) that require us to use more expensive materials and methods which end up costing the customer more money (which you approve of because you make more money as a result), as compared to your negative view of government-required licensing (aka laws) that end up costing the customer more money in a different but very similar way.

Isn't the proliferation of the AFCI an example of regulation lacking a scientifically proven basis of safety?

In many areas, the more an installation costs, the higher the fee for inspection. So doesn't the governing body have a vested interest in seeing that we use more expensive methods, so they see a higher return on their inspections?

I don't understand why you see one government action as being positive and another (that would surely increase your bottom line) as being negative.

 

[iwire]

I have to wonder what law is going to be passed before people wll realize they are being enslaved.

I'm sorry grandma I have to shoot you, your 69 and its the law.

Well those statements don't make you sound like a nut at all. :grin:

 

[mdshunk]

Marc, I have a hard time reconciling your approval of code changes ... as compared to your negative view of government-required licensing

One infringes on my ability to earn a living without encumbrance an the other does not.

 

[iwire]

One infringes on my ability to earn a living without encumbrance an the other does not.

Both the NEC and licensing infringe on your ability to earn a living, you simply choose not to look at it that way.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

You've been shown multiple examples of state licensing boards intervening in cases of shoddy work. They don't usually make newspaper headlines but they are recorded.

I'm sorry, but being fined $250.00 for failure to display the work permit, was not the initial, true intent of trade licensing. Most of the instances listed were not for shoddy work, in fact, had nothing to do with the actual product that is electrical wiring.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

I find myself on the same side of an arguement with you and it scares me. LOL

This isn't an argument. It's a discussion. I have worked for quite a few contractors, most of whom never set foot on the jobsite. A few of whom don't even live in New York.

 

[LawnGuyLandSparky]

Then why do people continue to elect them?

What I see happening is the winners are decided by what position they take on a couple of hot-button issues dujour.

If you read the rest of my posts, you'll see that I was being kind of facetious. Laws are not created for anyone's benefit, except the benefit of those who pass them.

Also to benefit the backers of our lawmakers reelection campaigns...

There is no such thing as a good Government. Governments only concern is it's own preservation and expansion. This is it's nature.

Have to go write a report, thanks for conversation everyone!

 

[bikeindy]

Well those statements don't make you sound like a nut at all. :grin:

Just because I use an extream example doesn't mean something simular won't happen here in the US. History my friend history. Some of us feel that something very simular is already going on.

 

[iwire]

Just because I use an extream example doesn't mean something simular won't happen here in the US.

But your extreme example makes the other things you say less credible in my view.

History my friend history.

Don't think for a moment that your the only one that has an eye on history. But lets not sugar coat it, many of our own Patriots had their own flaws.

But come on, requiring citizens to have a license to perform certain tasks is not even close to the worries you seem to have.

There are many troubling things that are happening in our country right now, electrical licensing is not even a bump in the road compared to the other things.

 

[Minuteman]

Indiana, Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, New York, and Pennsylvania are, far as I know, the only ones not having electrical licensing at the State level. Some how, in this thread, it's been implied that those of us with a State license have Drank the Koolaid and sold our soul to the devil, giving up our rights and accepting the oppression of big brother.

It may be mostly for governmental control with a large dose of revenue tossed in, but the perception to the general public is that licensing produces some measure of safety for the consumer.

Be that as it may, we have State licenses because we do. It is what it is.